Some Pro Athletes do try to make a positive difference

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  1. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

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    No, I’m saying it has nothing to do with there being a lack of children in need of adoption in America, which is your claim and if you are going to say it’s not, I’ll happily link you back to your post.
     
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    “Lack of” meaning what exactly? If it is cost prohibitive to adopt in the US, that is essentially the equivalent of lack of availability.

    Stop looking for some “gotcha” and consider the real problem for a change!
     
  3. Doofenshmirtz

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    Not in the case of abortion, which is settled law and will remain so. Did you get a chance to click on the link I posted?
     
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    you seem to be interested in this topic. how do you find the time between raising all these unwanted babies and filing homicide charges on the women who abort babies? what is your success rate on both of those endeavors?
     
  5. Questerr

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    No, there is no lack of availability. There are plenty of children in need of adoption in America. Parents instead choose to be cheap.

    Increasing the number of children needing adoptions in America will not make that any easier.

    But you also want to cut regulations designed to protect those children. Your “solution” is to race to the bottom.
     
  6. Whaler17

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    I see so killing them is in their better interest, but finding them a home isn’t.

    Brilliant approach.
     
  7. Questerr

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    Finding them a GOOD home is.

    But either way, there aren’t enough adoptive parents in America. Making more unwanted kids isn’t not going to improve anything, least of all black communities.
     
  8. Whaler17

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    Nah it will not remain so. It can’t! There is a conflict now with the UVVA. A child cannot be something less than a child just because a mother killed him or her and not some other individual!
     
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    then they should be more diligent to avoid creating these children. Then they can avoid the predicament altogether!

    And again we are back to none of this justifying wanton homicide!
     
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    That’s called a zero rate of success. If you were a baseball player you’d be batting zero.

    With no successful wins, how do you plan on upping the rate of murder charges and raising more children?
     
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    And no form of birth control is 100% effective, so we are back to square one.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Now if you could just prove that banning abortion actually stops abortion....it doesn't.


    What's this dude going to do about it?

    Make safe affordable accessible birth control free to all who want it?

    Raise wages so people can afford to have children without having to go on Welfare?


    Perform a miracle and make pregnancy NOT harmful to women?

    Perform a miracle and eliminate all birth defects?


    Have all men sterilized at birth?






    Couldn't answer my questions? figured....


    And , no, abortion is not as harmful as pregnancies, you can't change science just by saying something is so....


    ...and no, safe affordable birth control is not available to every one.

    And no one is obligated to use it anyway :)
     
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    Oh crap, is it a school holiday? Heavy sigh.
     
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    With Ireland deciding to join the rest of the civilized world, there are only a few places that adopt your opinion as law.These countries are not exactly champions of human rights. Did you get a chance to click on that link I provided?
     
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    Couldn't answer my questions? figured.... :)
     
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    Well you'd start by researching the underlying reasons but some of that work has been (and continues to be) done. The various forms of birth control is clearly a key (clue is in the name after all) but we know there can be issues with misuse due to ignorance or arrogance and access to birth control, particularly to the most appropriate and effective form for individual circumstances. I'm sure work can continue on development of birth control, improving effectiveness and ease of use.

    So, addressing blockers to birth control and information, improving sex education at all levels and continued research and development. I'm sure people with any kind of expertise in the field spending more than thirty seconds thinking about it could come up with more and in more detail but hopefully you get the idea.
     
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    Nothing at all civilized about child homicide. The fact that you think there is is concerning.

    How are human rights served by the wanton slaughter of human beings?????
     
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    so you are identifying the unidentifiable underlying causes? Interesting. But you did not answer my question. Nothing you mentioned will make one speck of difference. You are just flailing.

    No actionable items, nothing that stands a chance of making a difference!
     
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    You didn’t ask any worth answering !!!!!!!
     
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    Now you have upgraded them to the level of "child" Lets run with that and think things through. We already have thousands of "children" in need of a loving home. Most will never get one. You are proposing adding hundreds of thousands more.

    What do we do with them and why do they show up on your radar while those already breathing air are invisible to you?
     
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    :) Such a good way to avoid answering those inconvenient questions :)
     
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    """You didn’t ask any worth answering !!!!!!!""""


    Nothing you mentioned will make one speck of difference. You are just flailing.
     
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    Not me junior, federal law! The UVVA , a federal law, describes them as children in utero! Read it. Educate yourself.

    So are you saying financial difficulties justify killing a child?
     
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    I didn't just make that stuff up. It's based on real research and real work that is already going on. We just need to do more and better, especially in harder to reach groups and communities, to extend the benefits further. Answers to your questions are already out there, you just need to accept them.

    https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/3/12/e003815
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...pregnancies-full-stop/?utm_term=.1873f4e5a604
    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...ncies-fall-18-percent-u-s-study-finds-n530601
     
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    The UVVA did not deem the fetus a legal person and you have never shown where it does. And you can't because it does not give legal personhood to the fetus.
     

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