Sorry, Russia's Winning the War

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  1. Dayton3

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    Why should I feel any guilt over U.S. allies laying the rod to a bunch of leftists?

    And I don't even like Catholics.

    No to Chess notation.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are many reasons you should feel guilty for supporting the rape of catholic nuns and missionaries .. war crimes .. genocide and so on.

    I realize you don't .. which is what makes your avitar a disguise. Presenting an image the opposite what is.
     
  3. ToughTalk

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    That is not baseball. I dunno how the hell you think that resembles baseball?
     
  4. Destroyer of illusions

    Destroyer of illusions Well-Known Member

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    That is, you assure that from a feudal country with a poor economy and an almost completely illiterate population, create a country with a 100% literate population, without unemployment with a bunch of free services such as medicine, education ..etc, industrialize and create conditions for victory in the most terrible war in the history of mankind, and then the first to explore space, create the world's first nuclear power plant and a nuclear icebreaker fleet, which no country in the world has so far - is this an inefficient state? And at the same time, also control half the world.
    I'm wondering who your doctor is?
     
  5. Destroyer of illusions

    Destroyer of illusions Well-Known Member

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    The well-being of people, for example, in the USSR and the USA was different. But one cannot say that people in the USSR lived worse than in the USA. For example, in the USSR, everyone could get housing 100% free of charge. And until now, Russia remains a country with one of the largest number of homeowners in the world. All this thanks to the USSR. Also, 100% free education and medicine of any level was in the USSR, 100% paid all types of vacations ... etc. I will not list everything for you, you know that.
    And the USA on all these issues loses the USSR. Even after half a century, it loses.
    But regarding the supply of fashionable goods and services, as well as the supply of certain types of products, I agree with you. But with a caveat - all these difficulties occurred after the scoundrel Khrushchev came to power.
    And there are economic explanations for this.
    The idiot Khrushchev promoted the economic reforms of Kosygin-Lieberman. In short - these reforms transferred the planned economy from the indicator "Production of a product" to the indicator "Production of goods"
    The difference was that the indicator was not a physically produced product, but the monetary expression of the production of goods.
    That is, for the enterprise, the plan was to produce goods for a certain amount in monetary terms. And directors of enterprises immediately began to use this. They often produce unnecessary, but very expensive goods. (For example, some unnecessary machines instead of necessary, but cheap goods). These same factories fulfilled the plan, received bonuses ... etc. And the most painful and negative thing about this is that this system destroyed the ideology of the proletariat. The workers wanted to receive bonuses and therefore were happy themselves.
    This is where the shortage of consumer goods arose. (But it must be added that the shortage was of fashionable goods. The stores were crowded with ordinary goods.)
    The second basic point of the destruction of the economy of the USSR from these reforms was the transfer of enterprises to self-sufficiency. That is, the transfer of enterprises to receive the rate of profit, which means "surplus value."
    In other words, the economy was transferred to a capitalistic form of management, but with a socialist form of government.
    That is, with the seizure of power by Khrushchev, the end of the USSR began. And although the congress of people's deputies removed him, the USSR could no longer return him to the socialist path. That is, after the seizure of power by Khrushchev, socialism in the USSR ended. Gorbachev and Yeltsin are the consequences of the seizure of power by the scoundrel Khrushchev.

    But under Comrade Stalin, there was no shortage in the USSR, as they say, black caviar was sold in barrels, and millions of artels sewed fashionable goods.
    By the way, it was Khrushchev who banned artels and handicraftsmen. (The Stalinist constitution of 1936 established in article No. 9 - in addition to state property, non-state property exists in the USSR in the form of artels and handicraftsmen. All forms of property are equal before the law)

    I understand that you have not forgotten the Russian language. Therefore, I recommend the book "Growth Crystals" for you. I do not remember the author, I know that he is a good economist and a member of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation.
    His group privately researched materials in the archives...etc and wrote a book about why under Comrade Stalin there was such an explosive growth in the development of the country and the growth of prosperity. There is no political component in the Book at all. It is written as a purely economic work. (The book contains archival documents and links to rare orders and instructions.)
     
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  6. Destroyer of illusions

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    Of course, this is not baseball. This is a Russian lapta. And of course, it is not similar to modern baseball, just as modern European football is not similar to historical British football. But the essence of this does not change. Baseball is a derivative of Russian lapta shoes.
     
  7. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What you wrote is mostly confusion and disinformation.

    Regarding housing:
    in the Soviet Union, housing was not considered a commodity and was therefore not bought and sold on the market. Instead, the government owned and managed all housing, so in theory the government allocated housing based on people employment and family size. In practice, the Soviet Union had a housing shortage, and many people lived in crowded and substandard conditions. The allocation of housing was often based on political considerations, and those with connections or who were members of the Communist Party were more likely to be able to secure better housing. Additionally, people often had to wait long periods of time to be allocated housing, and some were forced to live in communal apartments, where they shared a kitchen and bathroom with several other families.

    Why today Russia remains a country with one of the largest number of homeowners in the world (nr 13) well before US, Canada or United Kingdom?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate

    From the same reason most ex-communist countries have the highest home ownership rate – ex-communist countries decided to sell apartments to renters at very low price. Why? Because in order to maintain state owned apartments the rent had to be increased to the level where most of renters could not afford.

    Regarding education – you are right. In the Soviet Union education was free and very good in technical domains, but history, economy, philosophy was mainly communist propaganda.

    Shortages in the Soviet Union were not result of ‘The idiot Khrushchev” but LOGICAL result of planned economy. Planning was made by humans, and humans are not perfect. Lack of democracy in the Soviet Union prevented replacement of idiots by competent people, the best example is Trofim Lysenko:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko

    Another example of planned economy, I don’t remember where I read about it: the plan was to make 100 tons on nails. The factory made 120 tons and everyone got medals (it was a communist practice to reword people not with money, but with medals). The next plan was to create 120 tons, and factory excided the plan making 150 tons. Every year patriotic workers exceed the plan, but there was a problem – there was shortage on nails in the country. Why? Because in order to exceed the plan the factory concentrated on producing very big and heavy nails. And because there is no democracy in communist country, everyone is afraid to criticize the boss.

    Here is better explanation:
    https://www.rbth.com/history/330630-how-soviet-economy-work

    “Under Comrade Stalin, there was no shortage in the USSR, as they say, black caviar was sold in barrels, and millions of artels sewed fashionable goods.”

    The above is totally untrue, the truth is that under Comrade Stalin everyone who complained about shortages risked very unpleasant, but FREE vacation in one of the famous Gulag hotels, or Free bullet in the back of his head.

    This is the book "Growth Crystals" you recommend?
    https://crystalbook.ru/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/growth-crystal-ENG.pdf
     
  8. Soupnazi

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    They did not achieve 100% literacy they only makde that claim as propoganda.

    They had greater unemployment.

    We know this from information in their archives which were accessed with the USSR fell. Like all marxist states their acbhievements were lies and propaganda.

    They were a failed state who had for make slaves of the entire population to make themselves LOOK succesful. Meanwhile every one know thast they were incapable of feeding their own population. Despite having more fertile and arable famrland than any nation on earth they were forced to import grain from the US for decades. They could never make their agricultural section work effectively,

    They produced the worst automobiles on planet earth with waiting lists twnty years long for any citizen to buy one Any working piece of technology or industrial machinery had to be stolen from other nations. With the exception of and assault rifle.

    You can make any number of statistical claims when you have absolute control over the population as slaves and absolute control over the media such as Pravda.

    None of that matters. they were an empty shell and a failed state.
     
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    Speaking about the fact that housing in the USSR was not for sale, you are not telling the truth. In the USSR, anyone could freely buy or sell their own house, part of a house, a cooperative apartment, a garage, a country house...etc. It is a fact. But you deliberately distort reality.
    (After your distortions, I didn’t read your comment, further. It makes no sense.)
     
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    Destroyer of illusions Well-Known Member

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    Are you writing nonsense on purpose? Or do you just live in an alternate universe?
     
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    The one thing nobody ever mentions is it only takes one dead Russian to end yet even more suffering caused by: yup, another worthless politician.


    “United we stand, divided we fall”.
    Guess where we are now.
     
  12. Soupnazi

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    Sorry facts about your failed state bogther you but they were facts
     
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    Destroyer of illusions Well-Known Member

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    You don't have to make an excuse.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Very true.

    I have facts you have excuses for a failed state
     
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    And the current situation may be seeing them aligning to our detriment. 'MATCH MADE IN HADES: China’s dictator, Xi Jinping, is heading to Moscow to meet with Russia’s dictator, Vladimir Putin, according to the Wall Street Journal. Officially, the primary purpose of the summit is for Xi to push for peace talks between Russia and Ukraine.'

    Xi and Putin may also 'discuss the timing of China’s prospective invasion of Taiwan and how it might force the U.S. to limit or reduce its involvement in supplying and equipping the Ukrainian military in its defense against the Russian invasion that is now more than a year old.'

    Zelensky thinks it's in his interests to provoke a NATO/Russia war.
    Putin thinks it's in his interest to encourage a China war of Aggression against the Free State of Taiwan.
     
  16. ToughTalk

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    Biden has been very Trump like in how he's dealing with Taiwan. China can have it only after we relocate all their specialist and manufacturing over here. They can start from zero and we will be on the nex gen of chip manufacturing.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/16/tsm...-ramping-production-to-end-chip-shortage.html

    China knows that. Beyond all the other hardships of trying to take Taiwan by force...in the end they will not get the prize. We've insured that.
     
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