Start Believing and Start Telling The Truth.

Ah yes, it's always only those of another faith that can have faith.

 

I don't think you should claim that many people think your god has a religion. Nothing is about "God's religion".

Humans can be religious. Not gods, or, well, at least I don't think you should imply that they can. For your own sake

 

Bishadi, your post show a hard headed unwillingness to actually research YOUR OPINION. It has been posted here numerous times that Jesus is mentioned in quite a few other secular historical records. AND it appears that you have not read the bible. It seems to me that someone so intent on discrediting the bible would have at least given it some serious study.

and while i'm at it. When are you going to attack the veracity of the Koran since it also mentions Jesus.

 

What these kids fail to acknowledge is that if it were not for the God of the Bible, everyone would be an atheist/agnostic.....expect for those crazy Hindus in the Far East, that is.

 

what say you, DUDE?

that is a claim based on research of your kind; knowing the answer, yet still posting BS

as a teacher/a man...

matt 16:20 Then did he charge his disciples that they may say to no one that he is Jesus the Christ


what does that say?

do i discredit the bible or the liars?

again, quran shared jesus as a man/ a teacher.

that is the truth!

 

how about, if it werent for the liars and religious wingnuts of the abrahamic sect(s), and directly of the bible, there would be more indigenous indians in america.

if it werent for the irresponsible idiots of christianity, israel would not exist and the war of wars would not be in the air, as we sit.

 

Here's the problem...

You discard any notion of any sort of Gawd, simply because you do not buy the bill of goods being sold by the Christians.

This is a thin and not a well thought out argument.
Maybe its better to say that you don't like the teachings of Christianity...

 

on the contrary; it is the best argument.

ie.... the term and people called atheist perhaps would not exist, if is were not for the atrocities of the misleading morons of christianity.

Charles manson to ted haggart to adolf hitler and even the pedophile preachers are examples of the hypocracies of christian adherants.


I find that to take on the 'creed' itself is false witness.

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ie.... The best examples of 'antichrists' can often be found by observing 'christians'.

and the bible is what the christians 'created'

 

this says to me that you spend a lot of time at the site AtheistsRUs.

 

Whether he does or not doesn't address the arguments, so this post isn't terribly substantive.

 

What's the full addy to that site? Neither .com, net or org works.

 

Ironic that you should post this. Take a look at your compatriot's post if you want to see lack of substantiveness. Unless of course the goal is to discredit parts of the bible in order to discredit all of it. That IS the goal isn't it. Because misery loves company? Or in this case the Danmed love company.

 

Who's my compatriot? If you are talking about the OP then he is the one that determines the substance of the thread, and the rest of us will be judged by relevance to it. Isn't that how threads work?

 

actually, i defend 'others' and god (existence itself/mother nature) more and with greater fearocity than any knight ever did.


The difference between you and i is i know god (nature) and you like th man-created belief system.

You are closer to a non believer than I am.

 

ie.... the 'command' of egyptian system (then used by moses per se) of no false witness is about "believing and start telling the truth' is where the wingnuts just cannot sustain an integrity to 'any' god.

this thread is about telling the idiots of lies, to grow the f''' up as it is specifically, the misled that further the lies upon the body of god (nature itself)

ie.... the liars are in the scope of evil, that is opposing or purely the opposite of 'live'

 

liars lack the substantiveness as the only thing they can adher too is a belief created by 'people'.

Truth is equal to all mankind, not just the (*)(*)(*)(*)ed

the thread is not just about 'bible'.

No. you just have a guilty conscious (are (*)(*)(*)(*)ed and know it)

and perhaps why you defend what you already know, are lies

children of the (*)(*)(*)(*)ed (the people following the lies taught by their parents)



It is why, i can sustain without much reservation; the evolved theist is often identified as an 'atheist' by theist. The liars hold onto their lies while the good, know how to personally make a choice of 'no false witness'. They have actually read the material and comprehend it.

The idiots, didnt and dont; are (*)(*)(*)(*)ed. (children of the (*)(*)(*)(*)ed) (great lyric)

 

Umm no.

An arguement that is structured with:

Thesis Statement.

Supporting evidnece (the higher caliber and more lucid the better).

Arguementation against common rebuttals (indicating someone actually understands a subject).

Restated conclusion that highlights the main points of the arguement and how the thesis is correct.

These standards are taught in pretty much every school.

The standard of substantive arguementation is not determined by some arbitrary wanker taking random pot shots.

Standards. Once again, they are good things. People can see an SUBSTANTIVE arguement, and they can see one without it.

Usually, the former carries the day in debate. That is how threads work.

 

But their subject is determined by the OP, not someone who chooses to derail away from that starting point. Do you disagree with this?

 

The subject might be determined by the OP, the substance of the arguement is not.

All Christians are liars ... because I say so?

Well, the STANDARD says that is an appeal to authority, not a sound logical outlay to support his clear, and clearly unsupported, thesis statement.

People know a good arguement when they see one, and only a fool would attempt to call a bad arguement a good one because he started the debate.

I mean if you pick a fight with a much larger man, you still get your butt kicked - so, when facing a larger man, its best to have something better planned then jumping out and screaming, "You can't hit me because I am starting this fight."

OR do you disagree?

If not, then perhaps you would ask your new co-religionists to come up with something a little more substantive than running around calling people liars based solely on their faith choice.

Just a thought.

 

I don't have a problem with your characterization of the OP. It is as arrogant and misguided as the absolutist religionists who spank the questioners and seekers on this board all the time.
I am simply saying that as substantive as this thread is going to get is based on the subject that starts it.
It didn't have much of a chance from the get-go, I guess.

 

And I am saying that is not the case.

In fact, as stupid as the OP is, the simple fact of the matter is that it rather succienctly sums up the entirety of the atheist arguement for no God.

Its overly simple, it lacks arguementation or support, and seems born of some inner anger quite disassociated from logic does it not?

Well, as atheism seems to cheer these seran logical extracts, what does that say about atheism and its arguements against religion in general?

Are there criticisms of religion that are valid? You bet.

Will they be found in the overly simplistic invective and accusations of atheism? No.

So what the devil was driving our OP?

Now that is a debate for you. The simplistic arguementation is disolved almost instantly. You chose to try and add lib his arguementation for him, apparently thinking that reaosnable doubt on some aspects equates to ... lie - which is not doubt or affirmation of the untestable, it is knowingly spreading false statements. No atheist can reach that bar can they?

And yet, we see threads like this one - just accept that your life is a lie heathen religious person with no brain! - all the time.

The question is: Why?

 

Why are Christians often stereotyped as uneducated bigots by activist or radical atheists and some agnostics? IMO, that prejudiced veiw comes directly from a deep well of ignorance, and the well is still being dug by those that hate anything good kind or truthful concerning Christianity. Some is deserved and some isn't. Ideally faith is all that a truly religious person needs. While that is beautiful beyond description and true, it's nearly impossible for many secular people to understand. Then there are other false ideas which come from the scopes monkey trial and telegraph through the decades all the way until today! That is only a couple of reasons we get so much grief. I think it even goes back hundreds of years when the church censored scientists and science.

The truth is beginning about thirty years ago a new breed of christian was being groomed to answer the hard questions about God in a academic friendly, professional manner. Many of these new Christian apologists are multi-degreed PhDs an are educated in several different disciplines. However no one has told some of those that attempt to belittle spiritual people and religion in general. I see things getting better for metaphysics and religion, and it cant come too soon!

Rev A

 

aint you a christian?

 

I was wondering when one receives a rep how does one know who its from? Ha ha whoever rep'd me for this thread thanks so much. I would have thanked you by PM but I wasn't sure who you are, although I have my ideas heh heh~

Rev A

 

Atheism isn't based on overly simplistic invective and accusations. The OP is. You are doing what you are accusing the OP of. You are smearing the entirety of an intellectual construct because of the presentation of one practitioner. You are doing a blanket smear by accusing all atheists to be as angry and accusative as this poster.
Why?
I'm not ad-libbing anything. I'm an agnostic, not an atheist.