Suggestion for compromise gun legislation

I want one for hunting.

 

Having a suppressor for hunting is a perfectly sound idea.

 

Then the answer is no

 

Were a lot, or even a statistically significant amount, of murders committed with anyone using a suppressor?

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My .300 WSM calls for one.

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Pretty sure you aren't a Congressman or a Senator, so your "no" is worth the electrons it took to send your message.

 

I have heard no valid reason for not regulating them. I want one is not a valid reason

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Your I want one carries equal weight. Lol

 

He loves to tout the "other countries don't have our gun crime problems" meme. But when other countries are an example of a loose regulation that works, then he is willing to look the other way.

 

Wrong.

They are used to reduce the noise of gun ranges and by hunters.

The military also would like to use them on all rifles - one of the biggest medical problems for infantry is loss of hearing, when deployed they don't use ear protection because they need to hear and suffer the consequences when in a fight. But for the military to track many 100,000 class 3 items would be a logistical and paperwork nightmare.

Criminal use of silencers has been rare, the records show that the last time silencers were of any significant use by "criminals" was by poachers who were trying to feed their families during the Great Depression.

 

On TV, sure.

Most center-fire rounds do.

Further proof that the anti-gun side isn't willing to compromise.

 

You were given a solution to your problem.....but it is never enough

 

Are there any murders committed using suppressors?

If you think so, please show some stats or any evidence at all as to why this is your conclusion.

 

Uh.....they are heavily regulated

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Wait....the military can track thousands of m4's that you can not buy but they could not track suppressors? Lol

 

It didn't solve my problem.

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They aren't in the UK or the Nordic countries. Do they have a lot of murders using suppressors?

 

Uh.....they have strict gun control

 

Actually it is supposed to work the other way around. A valid reason is needed for regulation. In other words, proof that a problem exists, of which there is none or you would have presented it by now.

 

Criminals still have guns and suppressors. Are there any murders with suppressors?

 

They are criminal tools

 

No they aren't.

 

Any more than screwdrivers, hammers and bricks.

 

Before regulation, was the any evidence that suppressors were often used in gun crime?

 

Never used a suppressor to help build a house. Lol

 

Thats blatantly false and you know it because you have already researched to try and prove us wrong and you came up with a goose egg, zilch, nada.

 

I have no idea....but they are criminal tools

 

The paperwork for tracking M-4's is a burden, but an M-4 is not going to slip into someones pocket, its not going to roll off the table under the file cabinet (accidentally or otherwise), its not easy to be left in the dirt out in the field. A lot of silencers will be lost, stolen, misplaced, with the resulting searches and paperwork and inspections.

 

I know some of my fellow gun people can't stand my POV on this, but background checks don't bother me. So I don't mind your deal except...

... that suppressors should just be thought of as an accessory that are perfectly legal without any regulation. No different than a scope, for example. Remember, suppressors are not weapons, and criminals can already get them through the same ways they illegally get guns. And...

There would also be a lot details to iron out with the universal CCW permit idea. Not all states have the same standards for granting CCW permits. Some states are "shall issue" states, and some are "may issue" states. And some states may only require that the CCW permit holder not be convicted of a felony. Other states may require that they not be convicted of a felony, plus that the CCW permit holder not be convicted of certain misdemeanor crimes of violence (namely domestic violence) and that they are not the subject of a Domestic Abuse restraining order. Some states require training before the permit can be issued. It could be that some states don't - I'm not sure. And then there is the matter of "how much" training. So it's not as simple as it sounds ....

 

Saying over and over that they are criminal tools does not make it true.


It's blatantly false and you know it because you have already researched to try and prove us wrong and you came up with a goose egg, zilch, nada