Support for gay marriage has fallen after Obergefell

Yes, Scalia and Thomas should have recused themselves given their prejudice and previous actions. Who said you have to give up your values? WTF? The only thing you can't do is force others to follow your religious values. And that is what really bothers you. You had decades to abuse us, and did so quite frequently. You don't get to do that anymore. Deal with it. You don't like SSM? Fine! Don't marry someone of the same gender. But the rest of us are free do do so.

You feel bullied because you can no longer discriminate against us? Really? That's your definition of being bullied? Wow.

BTW, next time you have a discussion with your "invisible friend in the clouds", record it and make it an mp3 so we can all hear what he has to say. Until you can do that, your religion has no legal ground to stand on.

 

Oh give it a rest. When you guys are cheering a clown like Trump, you have absolutely no room to talk.

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Oh, so you want America to go down the tubes so you can turn the US into a theocracy? Just like Iran, huh? Thanks for at least admitting it.

But I think you know damn well that is not going to happen. We are free to not have religion interfere in our lives and laws in this country. Every time it tries, it fails.

But this is what you want, isn't it:

http://www.politicalforum.com/gay-lesbian-rights/417384-africa-homosexuality.html

 

Stop whining and get over it. It's the law. Game over.

 

So, it's just a game to you and nothing else?

 

Well hope you enjoy SSM being legal you and other anti-SSM folks deserve EVERY bit of it.

 

And since most do not.......................

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If they want to engage in homosexuality in their private lives most could care less. It's when they demand we as a society through our government encourage and sanction homosexuality that the differences arise.

 

Are you assuming all opposition to same sex marriage is base on fearing people who engage in homosexuality or something?

How absurd, maybe you are the one with the phobia.

 

What about a boy who has two fathers? I know a few and they're fine. I've known kids with two moms and they're fine as well. Actually, they're all doing great.

 

None that have been raised thus far, including:

If you think the above is a "legitimate reasons to oppose the encouragement, support and sanctioning of homosexuality in our society", then it's clear to me that you're motivated not by anything real, but only by unreasoning fear. In short, homophobia - and it's not a word I toss around lightly.

Do you really want us to pull up links to stories about all the heterosexuals out there behaving badly and tearing the nuclear family apart?

Spare us the hyperbole.

 

...because their disagreement isn't founded on reason - something required for one to be able to evaluate new information and potentially have a change of mind.

See, I don't disagree with your statement. I'm fully convinced that those with hardened hearts and closed minds certainly will cling to their 'disagreement'. There is little point in talking to such people, in my view.

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Funny, because the way some people talk to us, one would get the impression that they think we were dropped here by aliens, and have no concept of what it means to be human, much less understand the culture in which we were raised.

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There it is, framed in one word. Gay people daring to speak up in defense of their own rights are considered 'uppity'.

 

Exactly. What that poster and others don't understand is that none of us are in the least bit interested in changing their minds or what they think. All we did was make sure they could not use the law to harm us legally anymore. People like that will never change.

 

Scared of homosexuals? No. Exhibiting irrational fear that the ability of same-sex couples to legally marry will lead to all kinds of horrible, imagined things?

You betcha.

 

LOL, you are getting hysterical, hateful, and ideological, that's what is going to defeat you. As I previously wrote, you will defeat yourselves.

 

No, clearly you have not read my many previous posts, or maybe you have but have chosen the classic zealots absolute view of the world. In either case, your recent post reinforces the claim that you will destroy yourselves.

 

LOL, if you had read any of my previous and numerous posts on this issue, I explicitly have stated I do not want religion to make the laws.

And yes, you won, but in reading this and a few other post-Obergefel threads, who is the most upset? It is the gays, rather than take their victory, celebrate, and go on with life, the gays seem obsessed with the fact that some people do not share their joy. Just as they acted during the debate, the gays cannot get past the fact that someone out there does not enthusiastically embrace them, even if that someone has no power to change the system. That exposes the true gay mentality - zealous hatred and intolerance of all people who don't fully accept them.

You will destroy yourselves.

 

Don't be to sure.....

You might s well just get over it and move on

 

I'm 64 years old, and have known about this lifestyle all of my life. To say it's foreign is misleading and naive.

They have/had the same life as everyone else, but someone chose to change the definition of marriage from one man and one woman. THAT is foreign to American culture for over 200 years. [/QUOTE]

Baloney. How do explain the violence of destroying people's businesses and lives for maintaining their religious beliefs? It's fine for you to have your beliefs, but not others to have theirs. Hypocrites! You don't win hearts and minds in a courtroom, and you'll never get someone to like you if you're constantly looking for a fight like the intolerant people do.

 

Oh please. I'm having a great time. No one cares if you don't "embrace us". Treat us according to the law and everything will be just fine.

No one cares what you think. Really. People only care what you do.

 

If you have not adopted this lifestyle, then it is foreign to you.

Yes it is. Hence the term "xenophobia" to describe those who are unable to tolerate equality.

Sorry, but those businesses volunteered to be victims. They KNEW they were breaking the law. They deserved what they got.

Here we go again. You can believe whatever you want. You can sincerely believe the law is wrong. But if you do not follow it and get caught, you are punished anyway. Belief is protected. Crime is not.

But until those intolerant people calm down, put their damn bibles away, and FOLLOW THE LAW, they will have problems. You won't get far blaming people who follow the law, because the poor dear criminals should get a free ride.

 

Tell that to the baker and his wife who the homosexual terrorists are trying to destroy their lives for maintaining their values. Get real.

But you can force your values on those who have different beliefs than you do. Sounds a little bit hypocritical to me.

First off, you accuse ME of abusing someone I don't even know. Why the personal attack?

I've been married to my wife for 43 years, and have no plans to change that...before or after the SCOTUS legislated from the bench.

I have never discriminated against homosexuals, so quit with the persona attacks. THAT is what bullying looks like.

Childish comments like this don't warrant a response.

 

Quite the contrary. I have evaluated the information and find it in conflict to my religious and personal views. Ergo, no need to change my mind. My heart is just fine, as is my mid. I just believe differently than you do, and you refuse to accept that, but demand that I accept your beliefs. Sorry to see you sulk away and throw my opinion out the window. I don't agree with you, but I'm willing to talk to anyone and share my beliefs. I'm not forcing you to believe what I believe, and expect the same respect from you...but all I'll get from you are personal attacks like having a hard heart and a closed mind.

I don't believe I have said anything to give you that impression about me, so it's simply your impression of my words. I don't seek to offend, just put forth my beliefs.

up·pi·ty
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adjectiveinformal
adjective: uppity

self-important; arrogant.
"an uppity sister-in-law"
synonyms: arrogant, snobbish, hoity-toity, snooty, pretentious, bumptious, full of oneself, puffed up, conceited, pompous, self-assertive, overbearing, cocky, cocksure, impertinent, haughty, self-important, superior, presumptuous, overweening, uppish, high and mighty;


I guess that pretty much sums up someone who feels that they are somehow better than others by virtue of their difference in the company of those unlike themselves. Yeah, I'll stick with uppity for those who choose to destroy others who think differently than they do.

 

I disagree. I happen to care what he thinks, just as I care what you think. You have chosen to make us your enemy because we disagree with you. You used this line on me, saying that nobody cares what I think. Must be one of your favorite attack lines, but I guess you were wrong...again!

 

No gay person is gay due to government encouragement. It sounds bizarre to even type a response to such a silly notion. I'm betting it is safe to assume you personally will not be performing gay marriage ceremonies, so why would you give a hoot if someone else does? The "demand" for equal right is a valid one, which the SCOTUS decision has confirmed.

 

No, I haven't. Care to represent your views?

It's unreasonable to expect everyone to have familiarity with your particular ideas. You gave me the impression that you were an out-of-touch religious bigot, so that's the impression that informed my argument.

 

Didn't you just a few posts ago claim that you wanted to live without bigotry or prejudice? Looks like you have a lot of work to do.