Support for gay marriage has fallen after Obergefell

Calling someone a hypocrite for refusing to tolerate bigotry is like calling a doctor a hypocrite for wanting to kill cancer in order to save lives.

Bigotry cannot be tolerated, the same way that cancer cannot be allowed to spread. Homophobia is ideological cancer.

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No. There isn't legitimate reasons. That's a ridiculous thing to say.

A man donated sperm. What a ******ned crime. What is this world coming to when people can voluntarily assist one another in conceiving?! What kind of horror is this?

Oh wait, there's no reason to give a (*)(*)(*)(*).

People are doing things differently. Guess what? People don't all have to do things the same way. There's nothing wrong with a same sex couple deciding to raise children. It's just different. Different doesn't mean bad. I thought America was supposed to value being yourself and feeling no pressure to conform to everyone else, but here you are, demanding that everyone conform like a schoolyard bully.

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Email is also a recently invented word, yet nobody questions the legitimacy of that one. Everything is meaningless, but when's the last time you've seen anyone run in the streets screaming about how the crushing pointlessness of it all is closing in on them? Both of your complaints are just nitpicking. Regardless of the syntax, the sentiment is clearly the same. Homophobes are people that hate queer people.

Notice the fact that you've put in no effort to actually address what I say. Cop out.

 

Right, because same-sex marriage was pushed through on the demands of the unemployed.

Do you actually believe that or was this just the best comeback from the winner's camp that you could come up with?

 

Isn't that amazing? It's as if no liberals ever work in his world. He needs to go to NYC, where there is a ton of liberals, who have great jobs and are actually the ones driving this country financially.

 

Wrong!
Those are Marxist terms used as silencing tactics in their Critical Theory (political correctness) assault on Western Culture.

 

Marxist terms? Good god. Sale on tin foil, aisle 7!

 

*shrug* As long as support for the 14th amendment hasn't changed, this matters about as much support for wearing white after labor day.





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Marriage equality was just the tip of the iceberg. I know some like to label everyone who disagrees with them, but thta doesn't take away from the slippery slope this decision will see.

Lack gall?Why would anyone want to have gall? That puts things in a negative light. I would rather have persistence and determination which are positive attributes. I'll leave the gall to the liberals. They're comfortable with that.

 

Go for it. SSM is here to stay. Be as "persistent" and "determined" as you want, and watch fewer and fewer people care.

 

It won't happen through a constitutional amendment, or in the near future, and it won't happen as a narrow attempt to counter gay marriage. It will happen as part of a larger anti-gay backlash resulting from the continuing attacks on religion and society in general by the gays and the "progressives". The gay marriage issue was easy to sell, in the minds of many people passing gay marriage did not create any clear victims. That isn't true any longer, as the gays and progs continue they will impose upon many people directly, there will be victims who generate sympathy. As hard as it was, gay marriage was the easy issue. And even there, people are beginning to question it already.

 

The problem with your position is, there are no involuntary victims. Every "religious freedom victim" so far has volunteered for victimhood. It won't be long before people realize that nobody is harming them except themselves.

But even so, certain exercises of peoples' rights are never popular. People sued to prevent the KKK from marching through a black ghetto, and the court ruled that, unpopular is this action might be, it's a guaranteed constitutional right. There is no guaranteed right to bigotry.

 

Western "culture" is xenophobic, and racist. It deserves to be assaulted.

 

Those who do not care are not a concern to me...I consider them Persona non grata. You can pass all the laws you want, You can use all of the derogatory language you want, but you'll never change the minds of those who disagree, in spite of all the mockery. If anything, those of us with a different value system are reinforced in our beliefs the louder the opposition screams. If the left wasn't nervous and scared, they wouldn't be making as much noise as they do, nor mocking as loudly as they are. It's laughable .

 

Xenophobic? We're talking about gay marriage, not immigration. Get your phobias straight.

Racist? How does racism enter into the gay marriage thread? I think you're groping at something that you cannot identify, and your anger is showing through your mis-chosen words fro this thread.

Your reference to assault is disturbing. What exactly do you mean by that?

 

He has them straight. You do not.

Or maybe western culture has multiple imperfections.

Probably that it would be wise to mount an attack on xenophobia, prejudice, and discrimination.

 

xen·o·phobe (zĕn′ə-fōb′, zē′n&#601
n.
A person who is fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or of people from different countries or cultures.

Gay people are not foreigners, unless they are here from another country. Homosexuality is not foreign to American culture.

I think the left just like to raise a raucous about anything that is off kilter from the "norm." Would you agree with that? I like to refer to that as whining to be heard, not to benefit anyone.

What kind of "attacks" are you suggesting? Physical attacks? Verbal attacks? Legal attacks? Are you advocating violence?

 

I think this is wishful thinking.

The majority of younger generations are overwhelmingly accepting of LGBT people and apathetic towards religion. All of the people you're counting on to get angry are dying a lot faster than they're replenishing their numbers. People are coming out of the closet, and straight people are being forced to confront the fact that they have queer friends and family. Meanwhile, screaming evangelicals are making religion look like a backwards embarrassment and young people that otherwise don't care one way or the other are strongly rejecting religion.

You people are going to make a lot of noise, but you're just going to make yourselves look pathetic and hateful, and the world will move on without you.

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Slippery Slope? Are you referring to the one where people will be forced to confront the fact that there's no logical reason to deny gay couples adoption rights and that they might as well just accept queer people as fully as they do straight people?

Because that's a slope we all need to slip down.

Evangelical types are always frothing about starting a civil war over whatever their pet issue of the week is.

The military has bigger guns, and humanity will lose nothing of value after the steamrolling is finished.

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wow well reasoned you sure showed me there time to go rethink all of my beliefs

What does this have to do with Marxism? Marxism is an ideology that views history as class struggle and believes that material conditions will inevitably lead the working class to violently revolt against the owners of capital. I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Describing a hateful position as hateful isn't a silencing tactic. It's calling a spade a spade.

Those two have literally nothing to do with one another. Critical Theory is the analysis of society as a group of power dynamics between conflicting groups of people, and "political correctness" is what right wingers yell whenever people get mad at them for saying racist things.

People thinking it's rude to say racist things =/= A field of philosophy

You've just gone full Metapedia.

If you think that "Western Culture" means hating people different from yourself, that's your problem.

 

Here's one of the marxist terms, capitalism, used an attack on free enterprise.

http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/365b0da/the-word-capitalism-was-invented-by-socialists

More to come.

 

Just not the progressives war on American values but also on our culture, history, language , customs and traditions.

 

Here's the thing: no one cares what you think. That claim is truly laughable. No one can change what you think but you. But do go on believing othewise. The law is on our side, and that's all that matters. You can think anything you want and you seem to be doing that just fine.

 

People have been thinking like that for 2,000 years. Christianity has suffered ups and downs throughout that 2,000 years, and it will in the future, but it always recovers. And religion always becomes less popular when times are good, and for Americans the past 20 years have been very good with little real threats and concerns, Americans have plenty of food and cars and spare time to waste on television and the internet and playtime. The good times will end, they always do.

You misunderstand, we are not going to do this, you are going to do it to yourselves. By continuing to attack religion and society in general, you are going to create victims, you are going to change peoples perception of gays as just wanting to be treated fairly, you are going to turn the people against you. Its already started.

 

True, they hate everything American even though they survive off of America's success. Its suicide but they don't seem to recognize it or maybe they don't care, like the "progressive" scorpion who rides the American alligator into the river and stings the Alligator drowning them both.

 

It's a good thing that rights are not subject to the will of the majority, I suppose.

 

This is where you are wrong...I care about what I think, as do many others, and your condescending and uppity comment to the contrary makes no difference to me. You are offended that I refuse to willingly give up my values because of the decision of a few judges, two of whom should have recused themselves from even voting because of their prejudice through previous action in the regard.

So, you can go on thinking you can bully me or anyone else into submission over something we feel strongly about, but your words are as meaningless as the SCOTUS decision. I don't fear what man thinks as long as I have my "invisible friend in the clouds" on my side. Have a nice day.

 

Regardless of whether religion bounces back, it'll bounce back into a world where LGBT equality is a given. It will be forced to adapt to exist in a world that doesn't tolerate homophobia.

I think that religion is dying though. Education is getting better, and with education comes skepticism.

Nothing has started. There's nothing sympathetic about the screaming bigots that have tried to make themselves the victims. Religion will be left alone to slowly shrivel the second religion stops trying to interfere with everyone else's individual rights, and society benefits from LGBT liberation.

Your religious rights end where my life begins. Understand that.

 

But homosexuals are both strange and foreign to heterosexuals. And without question they have a different culture. In this context "foreign" doesn't mean from another country, it means disturbingly unfamiliar.

But the homosexuals are only fighting to live the same life as everyone else, with the same opportunities. There is no compelling reason why they should be treated any differently, but they are. Whose fault is that?

Cultural attacks, philosophical attacks, educational attacks, legal attacks. No physical violence. As LBJ used to say, this isn't a battle of body counts, it's a battle for hearts and minds.