Suspects Are CHECHEN Brothers With ISLAMIST TIES. What a Shocker!

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  1. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Over one billion Muslims worldwide are NOT terrorists and oppose acts of terrorism.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because the ENDED Irish Civil War was about "religion" and not "politcs" right? The IRA and Orangemen were shouting "For JESUS" when they struck, is that it?

    Complete bullcrap.

    Make up some more complete NONSENSE, trying to mitiagte the WORLDWIDE campaign of terror being done in the name of "allah", and islam.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And MILLIONS are terrorists, or terrorist sympathizers.

    About 25% of YOUNG MUSLIM AMERICANS (16-30) think SUICIDE BOMBINGS are "OK".

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/05/22/us-usa-muslims-poll-idUSN2244293620070522

    Despite the poll's desperate attempt to DOWNPLAY the results, FREE THINKERS can do the math.


    Out of over 7 million muslims..that's what...about 1.7 MILLION terrorist sympathizers, right here among us.

    What ACTIONS will the allegedly "moderate muslims" take to STOP the TERRORISTS?

    So far..NONE.

    Most Germans say that they "disagreed" with the Death Camps....and this chnaged the Holocaust..how, exactly?

    What's the "tipping point" number , of "pro-terrorist" muslims, where we should start being "concerned", in your view? 2 million? More?
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    It can also be noted that a suicide bombing does not imply an act of terrorism. Suicide bombings by a rebel insurgency against a military force that represents the tyranny of government are not terrorist attacks.
     
  5. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It should be noted that that is UTTER NONSENSE.

    Good Lord. See? Now we have to REDEFINE TERRORISM to try to make the attempted deflection of the the WORLDWIDE islamist violence "something different", work for the insane Left.

    If they are acting in the name of allah, it is ISLAMIST TERRORISM. Deal with it.
     
  6. Pregnar Kraps

    Pregnar Kraps New Member Past Donor

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    Always remember, under an Islamic government, your ass would be dead or imprisoned and tortured for saying what you have in your post.

    Men far better than you and I made it possible for you to be free from oppression, be it the Islamic variety of oppression, the Communist variety or the Obama Strain. They fought and died so we can do stupid things and smart things and any old thing we want.

    What you want, or what you SHOULD want, is for those you hold in the greatest contempt, the God fearing men and women in uniform on the front lines to continue to fight for your right to rail against the innocent religions. No other religion is guilty of trying to topple all the non-Islamic governments and take over the world. Yet, you make no distinction between Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and Islam. If we ever lost that fight and the Islamic Religious Police (like they have in Saudi Arabia, for example) came to your door you would be forced to make a life changing decision.

    Bash ALL religions and face death or imprisonment or choose the lesser of two evils and live.

    My advice?

    Choose quickly.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Being uninformed isn't a very good position.

    This is something I fail to see Evangelical Christians doing in America and they are actually propagating a belief that the Bible, not the US Constitution, is the Supreme Law of the Land in the United States. The biggest problem of "religion" in the United States today are the Evangelical Christians and not the Muslims.

    http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-leader-issues-tough-response-fellow-muslims-bombings-001229887.html

    Moderate Muslims are and have been fighting against Islamic extremism in America for years. Obviously they still have a long ways to go but then Christians also need to be fighting against Christian extremism in America and I don't see many efforts at combating this. Instead of opposing the extremism of Evangelical Christianity in America the Republican Party actually panders to it. How could the Republican Party even consider presidential candidates like Rick Perry or Michelle Bachmann is beyond any logical reasoning. They don't believe in the separation of church and state and cite the Bible before the Constitution in addressing US politics.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    The United States has tortured and held people in prison for their religious and political beliefs for over a decade without an criminal indictment or due process of the law where no evidence exists that they've ever commited any criminal act.

    We're not in a very good position to throw stones as we're living in a glass house.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    A perfect example from history, for those that don't understand that suicide bombing does not imply an act of terrorism, are the Japanese Kamikaze of WW II. They were all suicide bombers and their attacks on the US forces were not terrorist attacks. Suicide bombings typically reflect the last desparate act of a person in opposing the perceived tyranny of their enemy. These attacks can be ligitimate attacks against the government responsible or they can be terrorist attacks against the general population. Also of note during WW II the bombing of civilian population centers by the allies were acts of terrorism (and a war crime under international law at the time).

    Let us remember that even Osama bin Ladin's "al Qaeda" organization was initially formed to fight against the well documented tyranny of the Saudi Government. The Royal Family of Saud still maintians one of the most tyrannical regimes on the planet.

    In truth we find that preceived Tyranny, if not real Tyranny, and Terrorism are very closely linked regardless of whether suicide bombings are involved. As was also accurately noted not all "acts of terrorism" are necessariy acts of terrorism. Attacks against ligitmate military targets are not acts of terrorism.
     
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    Pregnar Kraps New Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, well whether you can convince the readers that thousands of hypothetical street thugs and drug dealers are political prisoners and Muslims being denied real justice remains to be seen.

    In the mean time, our PF homeboy still has to decide if he will continue to bash ALL religions when they come for him or if he will save his ass and say, 'Allahu Akbar'.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We see that you confuse ACTIONS with TALK= standard Left misconception, speaking of being "uninformed".

    Let me know when the "moderate" muslims SEIZE the terrorists at their mosques, and turn them over to the authorities with all the evidence of the conspiracy, instead of "condemning" them , AFTER THE TERRORIST ACT(s).

    That would be "FIGHTING AGAINST" the islamists, as opposed to more , meaningless LIP SERVICE, which you CONFUSE with "action".

    We won't hold our collective breath, because that HAS NEVER HAPPENED, nor is it LIKELY to.

    The "moderate muslims" only carry their "moderation" so far....
     
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    Pregnar Kraps New Member Past Donor

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    Okay, I'm convinced. Suicide bombings in WWII were not to terrorize. They were intended to detroy and kill an enemy at war.

    Islam is at war with America.
     
  13. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And they TELL US EVERY DAY...
     
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    Bull. How about George Tiller, murdered by a pro-life christian?

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    http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/23/harper-mulcair-thank-muslim-community-for-its-role-in-thwarting-alleged-terror-plot/

    Sure, here. I think it was a week ago or so....
     
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    My grandma probably has links to Islamic and pro-Chechnyan independence sites on her Facebook. God knows the things you'd find in most people's likes.
     
  16. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    AS opposed to the intentional slaughter of innocent civilians?

    I missed the part where the "moderate muslims" seized the terrorists in the midst,and handed them over to authorities.

    BUt, good for them. There's ONE , out of the "MILLIONS of MODERATE MUSLIMS"...

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    Did your grandma POST the LINKS? Great attempt at deflection....good grief..how much longer is the Left going to keep trying to pretend that the Boston bombings were NOT, yet, ANOTHER islamist terrror attack on Americans?
     
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    It happens more then you think

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/5851168/Terrorist-Andrew-Ibrahim-was-turned-in-by-the-Muslim-community.html

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39894024/ns/us_news-security/t/officials-muslim-source-turned-terror-suspect/

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/04/AR2010120403720_pf.html
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Undercover agents for the FBI are not "muslims handing over terorrists". The Brit punk was already a BANE on the community, LONG BEFORE he "decided" he was a "muslim".

    None of your examples are "moderate muslims" turning over ONE OF THEIR OWN as TERRORISTS.

    Two are FBI infilitrators,and the other is the Brit punk. PIERCINGS and HAIR COLORING are not allowed for MALES in islam. It is HARAM for males ot do so.

    What the "muslim community" said about it:

    "Officials at the mosque, in central Bristol, told the Daily Telegraph it was a "sensitive subject" and they had decided not to comment ".

    I assure you, "Ibrahim" was not considered part of that "community".

    Not exactly "stepping up".

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    Which would make it into something BESIDES another ISLAMIST TERROR ATTACK on AMERICANS...how?
     
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    Uh, you realize that the community didn't know that they were FBI informants. They just knew some retard was trying to stir up Jihad and turned him over to the FBI. Not their fault that the only terrorists to come through there doors happened to be a fed. Hilarious if it weren't so sad.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Meanwhile , NO OTHER RELIGION is involved in such shenanigans, worldwide...besides islam.

    The Truth is the Truth..always.
     
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    Why do you put the argument so stupidly? Why can't you say "no other religious group is engaged in such shenanigans,"? It isn't like books of the Quran are floating around exploding.
     
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    FBI says different.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow. This is all you got? It'd be funny, if it weren't so pathetic.

    Your complete CAPITULATION accepted....
     
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    Do you think Islam, and not people, are carrying out terrorist attacks?
     

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