Sweden'S Cronovirus Strategy Will Soon be the World's

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    OK, but there is no way around the fact that Mikovitz, who is well know for patterns of outrageous falsehoods, managed to sell you her book.

    And, now YOU are spreading that.
     
  2. ronv

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    Ahh. May 21st.
    But obviously the virus is not doubling in Sweden every few days because they have few large population centers.
     
  3. Pycckia

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    My mistake.

    And I specified two weeks, not "a few days." May 21st would make Sweden 30% immune right now and 60% in two weeks. Of course as herd immunity approaches, the transmission rate slows down, but a two week doubling time seems generous enough.


    Are you following the news in Korea? Looks like their strategy isn't going to work and they are having problems contact tracing a second wave of infections.
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    “Considering the quick transmission of COVID-19, there’s limits to what we can do with contact tracing alone to slow the spread,” said Yoon Taeho, a senior Health Ministry official during a virus briefing on Thursday, where he repeated a plea for residents in the capital area to stay at home.

    Despite the concerns over the spike in infections, government officials have so far resisted calls to reimpose stronger social distancing guidelines after they were relaxed in April, citing concerns over hurting a fragile economy.
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    https://time.com/5851818/resurgence-coronavirus-south-korea-second-wave-covid19/
     
  4. ronv

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    Except it's not doubling every 2 weeks either. More like 5 or 6 weeks. So it has hardly changed.


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    We would be ecstatic if we only had 150 new cases a day like the Korean rate.
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  5. Pycckia

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    Despite not having a lock down. What is the point of the lock down again?

    you do understand about exponential growth? Starts off low, increases with time.
     
  6. Pycckia

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    Despite not having a lockdown.

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    We would be ecstatic if we only had 150 new cases a day like the Korean rate.[/QUOTE]

    you do understand about exponential growth? Starts off low, increases with time.
     
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    It's called mitigation.
    noun
    1. the action of reducing the severity, seriousness, or painfulness of something.
    And yes we could do the same thing. Take all the people in cities and move them to the country. :)



    Doesn't look exponential to me.
     
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  8. Pycckia

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    Or delaying the inevitable.




    How much experience do you have looking at noisy data?
     
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    A lot.
    That's not noisy data.

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    And good for them. I wish we had their problem.
     
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    We do: an infectious disease with no cure, no effective treatment, no vaccine and a weakened economy from a misguided effort at mitigation that is increasingly unpopular.
     
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    No. If we had their problem we would have 1600 deaths, not 117,000. And no lockdown.
     
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    I'm guessing you have not read her book, and thus are engaged in judging a book by its cover, rather by its author. An open-minded individual you are not, it seems.

    I guess you also reject all whistleblowers and prefer to go with the mainstream herd media and its government handlers.

    When you start reading more, will it be government press releases or the accounts of whistleblowers?
     
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    Reading her book is NOT how one would go about learning whether or not she is full of crap.

    Education isn't about reading one person's crap with the hope of then knowing the topic..

    NOTHING in education, science, philosophy, or anything else works like that.

    I means seriously, there is no rason to believe that someone who read her book would have the knowledge necessary to figure out that she is totally full of crap.


    If you want to know whether she is full of crap, you have to investigate THAT. And, reading one of her books certainly does not have to be part of that.
     
  16. WillReadmore

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    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...sial-virologist-attacking-anthony-fauci-viral
     
  17. Pycckia

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    South Korea will face another wave of coronavirus infections, with as many as 800 new cases a day by July, if the government does not introduce stricter social distancing guidelines, a prominent infectious disease specialist has warned.

    https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=korea+coronavirus&FORM=HDRSC6
     
  18. Lesh

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    SK...how many deaths?

    250?

    US...how many deaths?

    120,000?

    Are you serious?
     
  19. Pycckia

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    Yes, very serious.
     
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    What a load of idiocy.
     
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    How about Sweden?

    They seem to be on the right track, as their chart shows a fairly steady decline in both deaths and hospitalizations for the last 2 months.

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    https://www.covid19insweden.com/en/
     
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    Right track?

    Cases are still rising and their economy has tanked
     
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    Sweden is on par with Georgia...but with twice the deaths per million population
     
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    OMG! In another thread on this which I cannot find, I mentioned how Sweden had failed those who needed shielding. Their own people had said it....but I said it was not at all intended. I was discriminating positively towards Sweden and OMG it seems I was wrong!

    They had decided that anyone who was over 80 would only be given Palliative care - that is sent to their death and they had decided anyone over 60 with any co-morbidity should also just be given Palliative Care. This included people with drink and drug problems....so basically Sweden decided that it was going to commit euthanasia on those people. They would not even allow them have oxygen which is cheap. Well as Swedes were saying, yes, they had let down their patients who needed shielding. I did not expect them to apparently be the ones who were most open to allowing their people to die without any chance of being saved - oxygen would almost certainly have saved a lot.

    Seems they did not need to worry about their hospitals being overwhelmed. Palliative care would sort that out. Easy to go for Herd Immunity when that is your plan.

    You can miss the first 2 or 3 minutes.




    In this one a few hours later he is talking to a Dr from Sweden who has been trying to let people know the Governments policy of euthanasia for shielded people with Covid 19 and trying to get care homes to give their people Oxygen before they started giving them drugs for a happy death rather than treatment which might allow them to recover from Covid-19.

     
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    I fully expect that in 20 years, pandemic or no pandemic, that people over 80 who are at end of life, as well as younger people with terminal conditions, will be given an injection for a "happy death" rather than to spend their last 6 months as wards of a tax-paid social safety net in Medicare-funded nursing homes. They won't call it geriatricide or euthanasia. They'll call it "humane" assisted suicide, and society will accept that as normal and "the best choice" for everyone.

    It's not a far reach for any country which normalizes the abortion of millions of babies because that life would be inconvenient and expensive to view old people similarly when they become an inconvenient and expensive burden.
     

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