Tea Party Afraid Obamacare will be a success.

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  1. Mr_Truth

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    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/obamacare-sea-change-gop-governor-boasts-about-aca-benefits

    Obamacare sea change: GOP governor boasts about ACA benefits



    09/18/14
    By Steve Benen


    Earlier this year, the Republican game plan for health care was pretty straightforward: attack “Obamacare” constantly, make it the centerpiece of the 2014 cycle, and wait for the inevitable victories to roll in.

    The very idea that we’d see a Republican governor bragging about Affordable Care Act benefits – in the final stretch of a tough re-election campaign, no less – seemed hard to fathom. And yet, here we are (thanks to my colleague Nick Tuths for the heads-up).

    Gov. Rick Snyder on Tuesday touted Michigan’s successful Medicaid expansion as part of his re-election bid, saying 63,000 more low-income adults have signed up than projected this year, with months left.

    The Republican governor said about 385,000 enrolled between April, when the Healthy Michigan program launched, and Monday. His administration had expected 322,000 signups by year’s end.

    “At that level, we’re adding over 9,000 patients a week,” Snyder said at an endorsement event at the Michigan State Medical Society, an East Lansing-based professional association of physicians. “It’s outstanding progress.”


    Progress, that is, implementing a key element of President Obama’s signature domestic-policy achievement.

    There are, of course, multiple angles to this. Michigan’s Eclectablog, for example, noted that local Tea Partiers are not at all pleased by the sight of a Republican governor bragging about ACA implementation. For that matter, local Democrats are eager to remind the state that Snyder was not initially an eager proponent of Medicaid expansion, and the governor’s delays cost the state money.

    Rep. Mark Schauer (D), Snyder’s very competitive rival, said Michigan’s slow adoption of Medicaid expansion ended up costing the state roughly $600 million.

    To be sure, these details matter. But I’m nevertheless struck by the broader political circumstances.

    We’ve talked quite a bit lately about the changes in the prevailing winds surrounding the politics of health care, but I don’t think it’s fully sunk in for the political establishment just yet.

    It was just earlier this year that the Affordable Care Act was perceived as a disaster of epic proportions. It would not only destroy Obama’s presidency, it was a Watergate-meets-Katrina catastrophe that threatened the very nature of progressive governance. For the GOP, running against “Obamacare” would be their first, second, and third priorities in the 2014 midterms.

    But with 47 days to go before Election Day, one of the nation’s most vulnerable Republican governors is running on ACA benefits. Why? Because he sees it as a political winner.

    As for Michigan Republicans’ hopes of using Schauer’s vote for the Affordable Care Act against him in the fall, that’s going to be awfully difficult now.





    Republican is using ACA success as part of his campaign because it is working to save money and lives.


    And that's the TRUTH!
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    I don't consider Medicaid being part of "reducing health insurance premiums for all" or making Health Insurance available to all. Medicaid is/was a welfare program for the poor, not a health insurance program for those working full-time jobs that can't afford individual health insurance premiums. Expanding Medicaid was just a way for the Federal Government to push more health care costs on State Governments and Taxpayers. It did nothing to reduce the cost of "providing health care".

    Do you still not understand the difference between reducing the cost of providing health care and reducing health insurance premiums? Expanding Medicaid did neither.
     
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    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...f-obamacare-sign-ups-were-previously-insured/

    Yes 74% of obamacare sign ups were previously insured and lost their insurance coverage due to minimum essential coverage mandate of HHS(arbitrary guidelines not voted on by our Congress). Once the small business mandate kicks in "my" opinion is it will get much worse. 100's of thousands will lose their coverage, forcing them to pay higher premiums, higher deductibles, high out of pocket and lose their providers.

    This is why it is imperative that the Republicans take control of the House and Senate!
     
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    Watching CSPAN today and a new report is out that the uninsured has dropped 2%.
     
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    I am not sure that it is a winning issue for the Republican party to be supporting fraudulent health care policies that basically turn out to be scams to defraud people of their money and provide no meaningful benefits.
     
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    And now you are going to give us the official Republican plan that accomplishes that goal! Or maybe not since there isn't one.
     
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    It is Democrats and our President that are supporting this not Republicans.
     
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    Medicaid expansion is what gives me my current coverage and that of thousands here in Minnesota and elsewhere.
     
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    Contrary to the myths from the right wing, ACA continues to work by promoting coverage and reducing costs.



    This is why red states need to adopt it:



    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...perate-need-for-healthcare-in-red-nbsp-states



    Seven of the 11 large metro areas where the uninsured rate was higher than the 14.5 percent national average last year are located in states that refused to expand to Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act. Two are in Florida, three are in Texas, and the others are Atlanta and Charlotte, North Carolina. The metro area with the highest uninsured rate was Miami, at a staggering 25 percent, compared to the national low of 4 percent in greater Boston





    ACA works!
     
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    How funny, I get 3 emails today, "contribute to help keep Obama care", "help re-elect Democrats" and "Obama care insurance quotes". So since I have two sons 26 and 28 who have no insurance I contact the number listed in the "Obama care insurance quotes".

    First of all, they give quotes on all insurance, the only affordable ones were what they called, "non-Obama care insurance companies". They said these companies were not subject to the Obama Care rules(such as no pre-existing, etc). I replied, I thought all health insurance was subject to the laws and rules, and the guy says he hears that over and over and ove but only companies that join Obama care are subject to the laws and that is why the companies that didn't join can offer more affordable coverage. So much for Obama care making insurance more affordable. He quoted me a price for my 26 year old health son of $220.00/per month including $500,000.00 life insurance, $2500.00 deductible and $50.00 out of pocket compared to a participating BCBS plan for $500.00/month, $5000.00 deductible and limited providers.

    We all should be afraid of Obama care. Our costs of insurance are rising, the cost of providing care is rising and all due to Obama Care. Rather than adding those unable to qualify for private insurance to Medicare via a new PART of medicare, such as Part E(for everyone else). The screwed up every ones affordable coverage. He also said that November 15th I should call back regarding our small business, group plan.Can't wait to see how Obama care is going to screw up our group health insurance.
     
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    Did you really read my first hand experience post that is as real as it gets and not based on "biased" news stories? If you had read it, you would understand how Obama care can never be a success as promised; lowering premiums, lowering cost of providing medical care, affordable coverage for all, less cost to taxpayers, all insurance no pre-existing, can keep your providers and the list goes on and on.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.
     
  14. Mr_Truth

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    Read my links and make your reply to them. Let these people who are experiencing good results of how "bad" things have supposedly gotten thanks to ACA.
     
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    After One Year, Obamacare’s Biggest Achievement: Hiding Its Cost

     
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    Interesting how only Republicans not facing elections have the balls to be against the ACA these days.
     
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    They can go to Guatemala and practice their trade.
     
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    Recent CDC Study Debunks Common Right-Wing Propaganda Against Socialized Health Care



    October 8, 2014 By Allen Clifton





    In a fairly hilarious twist, an article I ran across on FoxNews.com of all places (re-hosted from the Associated Press) tells us of new data coming from the CDC that shows historic improvements in the average life expectancy for Americans. It also states that while our infant mortality rate dropped to historic lows, it’s still much higher than in many European countries.
    And can you guess what all of those countries which have a better infant mortality rate have in common? Spoiler alert: It’s universal health care.




    They also lead the United States in average life expectancy as well.
    But…but, I thought the Affordable Care Act (and universal health care in general) would lead to more people dying? Isn’t that what Republicans have been saying for years? Well, if that’s the case, why did we just have a historic rise in average life expectancy between 2010-2012? You know, the years “Obamacare” began rolling out?
    And why if socialized health care is such a “death sentence,” do all of these countries that provide it have much better infant mortality rates and life expectancies than we do?
    Here are the two key findings from the CDC study:
    – U.S. life expectancy for a child born in 2012 was 78 years and 9 1/2 months, up about six weeks from life expectancy in 2010 and 2011. That’s a record.
    – The infant mortality rate dropped again slightly, to a new low of 5.98 per 1,000 births. That’s a historic low, but the U.S. infant mortality rate continues to be higher than in most European countries.
    I added the bolding to emphasize those two parts.
    To further back up the absurdity behind this anti-socialized health care propaganda from the Republican party, let’s take a look at the life expectancies and infant mortality rates of Spain, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom and Canada (all nations with universal health care) against the United States.
    Spain: Life Expectancy – 81.47, Infant Mortality Rate – 3.33
    Germany: Life Expectancy – 80.44, Infant Mortality Rate – 3.46
    Italy: Life Expectancy – 82.03, Infant Mortality Rate – 3.31
    United Kingdom: Life Expectancy – 80.42, Infant Mortality Rate – 4.44
    Canada: Life Expectancy – 81.67, Infant Mortality Rate – 4.71
    United States: Life Expectancy – 78.75, Infant Mortality Rate – 5.98


    If you just look at simple facts, the case against universal health care is closed. It saves lives – period.




    The numbers in these other countries aren’t just slightly better, they’re drastically better. People in Canada, right on our own northern border, are living nearly three years longer than we are. To put that into perspective, people living in Mexico have an average life expectancy of 75.43 years. Meaning that, as far as life expectancy goes, we’re about the same distance from being equal to Mexico’s average life expectancy as we are Canada’s. That’s absolutely embarrassing.
    Nothing against Mexico, but you really can’t compare the level of modernization within that country with the United States. Though you can compare it with Canada. But you don’t even need to just look at Canada. Every one of those European nations with universal health care is kicking our butt when it comes to these vital mortality numbers.
    And this data from the CDC shows that since the Affordable Care Act has started rolling out, our average life expectancy saw a historic increase.
    This is why I can’t have a sensible debate with people when it comes to this issue. Because there is no debate. The overwhelming evidence proves that when a nation has universal health care, their citizens live longer and infant mortality rates drop.
    The question every American should be asking the Republican party is: Why are they trying to prevent Americans from living longer, healthier lives?



    http://www.forwardprogressives.com/...-socialized-health-care/#sthash.wngcufd9.dpuf





    Contrary to the lies from the unpatriotic far right, ACA works to save money and lives every day!
     
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    There's not much question about it, what we had before the ACA really stank. And Republicans were tickled pink with it. It's no generalization to say that Republicans are ALWAYS tickled to death with stink.

    Next stop; Universal Health Care.
     
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    Republicans will never embrace Universal Health Care because it wasn't invented here. Also they believe it is better to have corporate insurance companies control your health care than the Government elected by the people.
     
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    Republicans love it when elitist corporations take tax deductions for medical insurance for their elite employees. This forces taxpayers to subsidize the wealthy and that's what pleases them the most.
     
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    It isn't a good system for those who could not afford or acquire health insurance.
     
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    5 Ways Obamacare Will Succeed
    1. It will reduce hospitals' exposure to doubtful accounts
    2. It will bring 16 million previously uninsured Americans under the Medicaid umbrella
    3. It will cap insurers' profits and require them to spend 80% of premium costs on health-care services
    4. It will expand the benefits of the average health plan
    5. It will promote preventive health-care visits and should therefore reduce long-term care costs
    Have these conditions any prerequisites for the implementation?
     

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