Teaching in america

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  1. webrockk

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    did your wife not understand the deal going in? did the evil teacher teachers keep her in the dark? trick her in some way?
     
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    Hyperbole, actually. to save you the trouble of looking it up, it's a literary device.
     
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    Part of orientation now, at least in elementary is supplies. You have a list you’re supposed to bring and it's a lot of stuff. I’m sure those with less means can’t afford it. But I’ve noticed the piles of supplies. In poorer areas I’m sure this is a big problem. Not my problem but a problem. We always bring everything asked for because my wife knows.

    I think teachers should get paid a little more, but those who fill the summer with other work he pay is not bad when you consider the time off. And frankly like everything logical, if you expect to take care of an entire family on a single teacher salary you truly failed at life, because you already knew before going in wjat your situation is. That’s henoart I don’t get. A single person can live perfectly fine on a teacher salary. It’s the same ol story, people making shitty life planning decisions then blaming the system on their stupidity.
     
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    Unbeliavable that you lot still attack teachers. The vast majority of people I talk to about this are so uninformed its absurd.

    Do you have any ****ing idea how many admins there are or how much they're paid?

    Why do they get 8-12% raises every year in some districts where everyone else is on a freeze?

    You guys are pathetically inconsistent here. Never ever have I heard a right winger bitch about this. Instead they continue their tireless assault on educators.

    It's disgusting, uninformed drivel and I will not stand for you continuing the smear.

    Go do some ****ing reading before you post this suppurating pathetic opinion again
     
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    When I don't like something, I quit doing it. is your wife a masochist?
     
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    Pathetic truly. My wife loves teaching. Shes a teacher who isnt complaining about her salary.

    But as her husband I am sick of ****ing people like you and your corrosive uninformed fox news buchananite opinions.

    I'm advocating for all teachers to immediately stop purchasing supplies for your kids. For everyone's kids.

    The view this country has on its educators is so misinformed its grotesque.
     
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    The obsolete education dangerous system is the problem, not the teachers.

    Here is a fix most teachers and parents would support:

    1. Transfer control of the education budget to parents and guardians.
    $15K - $22K/student/yr.

    2. Provisionally credential HS and college graduates to teach.

    3. Allow all teachers to form their own small lightly regulated schools (10-14 students) from their homes or office space. Do the math.

    4. Encourage the copying of textbooks that are past copyright, and the use of digital texts.
     
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    You're not going to comment, but you did anyway.

    Care to touch on how administrators are sucking dollars up that should go to teachers?
     
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    When I went to public school 50 years ago, the curriculum focused on math, English, History, and Science. They offered shop classes, drivers ed. with cars, multiple after school activities, etc..

    Today, the curriculum has changed dramatically, graduation rates are shocking, and shop classes and much of the other offerings are no longer provided.

    What changed?
     
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    fyi, my cousin is teaching his 2nd graders computer skills.
     
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    Duty assignments in both mornings and afternoons that add at least an hour or more to your work day.
    Being required to get a CDL and drive a school bus (you'll be paid a pittance for doing so usually).
    Spending weeks in specialized training (on your own time) getting additional certifications so the school can stay out of trouble with the state education department.
    Spending hours after school waiting to speak with parents (who might or might not come) because schools have to give parents and opportunity to discuss their kids progress.

    Those are just off the top of my head.
     
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    I went to high school in 1997 to 2001. I remember only math, science and the normal stuff.

    What's changed?

    Well there is a dangerous push to put religion in science class.

    There is a dangerous push to ignore science and appreciate the fringe.

    There is a dangerous dismantling of the family unit and a placement of purely individual values.

    Education treated like a conveyor belt industrial system is a failure.
     
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    so you're a White Knighter ['woke' male feminist] complaining on your wife's behalf. does your wife know you have no respect for her abilities to deal with her own issues?
     
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    I've seen nothing that suggests, or even hints, at any push to put religion in science classes, thus leading to a drop in science scores.

    I've seen nothing that suggests, or even hints, at any push to ignore science and "appreciate the fringe" or whatever that means.

    The family thing is certainly a problem. That's probably one of the big issues.

    But the elimination of classes and other activities is a real thing, and budgets have certainly not been chopped in response to cutting those classes and activities.

    Public Education has changed dramatically since about 1970. And the result is a disaster. Teachers didn't have to buy materials for their classrooms when I went to school.

    Something has changed. Perhaps it's to big a question to ask what that is that has changed.
     
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    Did you seriously just contend that funding has not been reduced?

    The thing with claims like these is that it ignores the raising costs of everything.
     
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    Sorry, I am an anti feminist.

    Dont ****ing assert on me with your pathetic identity politics.

    I am bitching because people like you spew uninformed "opinions" on which you have no real information to form an opinion of any value.

    I am also bitching because I am sick of people like you sending g your kids to school while complaining about teachers and you vote for people who cut spending and thus I have to pay for your kids supplies.

    I am downright sick of the Republican party and their anti science, anti teacher agenda.
     
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    well, there's always bathrobe belts..
     
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    Its not politics to say that we're exploited for our labor and wealth, and it doesn't take a highly intelligent kid to see their parents struggling to pay bills and understand that that is not what life is supposed to be.

    And it would be a lot harder to fire a teacher for going off of curriculum if a lot more of them were doing it a lot more often.
     
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    Actually - yes, you have:

    And then there's this conversation we had awhile back:

     
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    I haven't checked funding in every state. I do know spending on education is significant.

    This article is a bit old, but I would expect, with improved economics since then, budgets have grown:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/

    WASHINGTON The United States spends more than other developed nations on its students' education each year, with parents and private foundations picking up more of the costs, an international survey released Tuesday found.​

    I do know that funding in California has increased every year. It's written in the California Constitution that 40% of the state budget be directed to education. The budget in California has never gone down any year.

    https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_98,_Mandatory_Education_Spending_(1988)

    As a result of Proposition 98, a minimum of 40% of California's general fund spending is mandated to be spent on education and the actual percentage of the general fund spent on education is over 50%.[3][4]

    Yet, what I have described has taken place. No shop classes, drivers ed., etc.. All those were part of the curriculum 50 years ago.

    And the graduation rates have declined, along with many test scores.
     
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    Trust me, those tests are a joke. All you have to do is teach students how to use transitions, have a topic statement that simply turns the prompt into a statement, and you're good to go. It's called formula writing. All the essays sound the same, and are usually full of spelling and grammatical mistakes that mean little in the overall score. It got to be too much for the state to find scorers, so they gave up on it.
     
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    I disagree. First of all, tenure doesn't really protect bad teachers. Teachers are evaluated constantly, and if their performance doesn't meet certain standards, their contracts may not be renewed. The purpose of tenure is to protect teachers who have the willingness to step outside the box, challenge students, and produce intelligent students.

    Standards used to write tests and score teachers tend to be poorly written and rely on the one-size-fits-all approach to teaching. Teaching today relies on formulaic thinking and testing has no room for critical thinking skills.

    If a history teacher spends a bit too much time on the Civil War era, trying to encourage students to think critically and independently about issues, that teacher my end up with some students who come to appreciate not seeing information as unquestionable, and will be less likely to just think as they're told to think. Those kinds of students are more likely to research and compare sources before just following the herd. However, the tests do not require any kind of thinking or understanding, just some memorizing of names and dates.

    In that sense, merit based pay rewards those who instill thoughtless acceptance of information and will be little more than bleating sheep for drama-queen politicians.
     
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    Teachers should try owning their own business. it's literally a 24/7/365 job.
     
  24. Jazz

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    Fantastic!!! Is he doing it freelance or as part of the curriculum?
    Most teenagers are, by nature, regular computer nerds who have no difficulty to find out what is wrong with my computer... invariably the problem sits between the screen and the chair!!!! :confusion: :wall: :frustrated::icon_clueless: :pray:
     
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    Education standards today do push students into a subservient role, not behaviorally, but academically. These standards are often promoted by large education corporations who want to make a profit. They used to sell textbooks, but since textbooks are historical relics, digital learning with pre-packaged curricula are taking over education. Teachers are becoming too much like classroom monitors in many areas that make use of the digital curriculum. It's extremely hard to capture a student's imagination when the classes are online.

    In other words, we're grooming a nation of young people who are not taught to think critically, and therefore to follow, to accept, and to not question. Intelligence and independence rely on critical thinking, something that comes from teaching off-curriculum.
     

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