Tell me again that racism almost dead in this country

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  1. Super21

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    Let me quote myself and you again:

    Multiculturalism fits rather well into these definitions, especially the first definition which is discrimination based on race or culture.

    You only gave me the definition of racism, not multiculturalism which is:

    How does a multiculturalist expect to accomplish the co existence of diverse cultures in this country without discriminating against white Europeans?

    I'll use official definitions from now on. :) But I don't see how you can argue that diversity is not racist when you choose to discriminate against whites in favor of non-whites. Correct me if I am wrong and tell me why I am wrong.
     
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    racism means believing that one race is superior to another, and acting on those beliefs by mistreating people based on such ideas.
     
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    The multiculturalists I know always argue against whites and bring up past injustices to justify multiculturalism, and bring up the benefit of other cultures that have better thinking than ours.


    Im pro-white culture. I love my culture. :)
     
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    lol!!!!! "white culture".

    there is no such thing.
     
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    I have to argue against the word "mistreating." Even slave holders didn't always "abuse" their slaves because of their race. Everyone is against true racism. I am against abuse of other races due to their race. You should watch "12 years a slave" and note that slave Solomon Northrup is quoted as saying he had a kind and "benevolent" slave master.
     
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    Here is my quote. If you are going to purport to quote me do so accurately.


    Multi-culturalism is not racism. Multi-culturalism is not hatred and intolerance of other races or based on attitudes of racial superiority and inferiority. Quite the opposite.

    Here is where I gave you the definition of multi-culturalism, from post #10:

    Multiculturalism is the cultural diversity of communities within a given society and the policies that promote this diversity. As a descriptive term, multiculturalism is the simple fact of cultural diversity and the demographic make-up of a specific place, sometimes at the organizational level, e.g., schools, businesses, neighborhoods, cities, or nations. As a prescriptive term, multiculturalism encourages ideologies and policies that promote this diversity or its institutionalization. In this sense, multiculturalism is a society “at ease with the rich tapestry of human life and the desire amongst people to express their own identity in the manner they see fit.”


    That is from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism

    That question doesn't even make sense. Why do they have to discriminate against whites?

    Multi-culturalism is not racism. Multi-culturalism is not hatred and intolerance of other races or based on attitutdes of racial superiority and inferiority. Multiculturalism is not discrimination against whites.

    You don't get to make up your own definitions so you can call everyone who celebrates diversity a racist, and use that to excuse your own racist beliefs and views.

    Sorry.
     
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    slavery is a human rights abuse.

    you should know that.
     
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    Of course there is. Many American values and cultural traditions are from white Europeans.

    If white culture doesn't exist then neither do other cultures.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Today it is, but not back then.
     
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    I couldn't care less what you claim.

    So what?
     
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    I did.

    Does this mean you are open to accepting more European immigrants, since you are not intolerant?

    Okay. But you are choosing a definition that suits you but I will go with it. But if you use the definition I prefer which is discrimination based on race multiculturalism is certainly racist as its discriminatory against whites in favor of others.

    I argue that multiculturalism is at least very similar to racism because you are discriminating against whites (or in other words white culture) in favor of non-white cultures with the belief that non-white cultures are better.

    okay.

    Because how are you going to accomplish having diverse cultures together without discriminating against white Europeans? For instance, without racial quotas blacks and Hispanics wouldn't get into elite colleges. You have to discriminate against white students who do better than non-whites to achieve "diversity" as what Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomoyor said. Another example is white Europeans and non-whites both want to come to America, you have to discriminate against one unless you make it 50-50 or let them in equally. Otherwise you are favoring one group over the other which is not fair.
     
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    current US work Visa and Green Card regulations favor immigrants from Europe and Canada, as they favor highly skilled workers, entertainers, and people with relatives already in the USA.
     
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    They should favor only Whites, since Jews and Orientals are dishonest.
     
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    any proof his racism has led to arrests of blacks that were unwarranted? if so, prosecute away.... he lost his job.... that's about as much as you are going to be able to get since prosecuting him would require proof of a crime.

    if there is proof the mayor is trying to sweep this under the rug or not investigate it fully, by all means, post up.... the article only made the accusation, nothing substantive in it. It sounds to me like the mayor can't do anything more beyond firing him, and that's not enough to appease the blood lust of the black community, so now they want him to be guilty of something.

    but why should the daughter be prosecuted? Racism isn't against the law. She can hate every black person out there... she can shout it to the rooftops....

    There is no laws against dancing to the KKK themesong, and there is no law against free speech, even if it's unpopular free speech.
     
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    You don't get to make up your own definitions so you can call everyone who celebrates diversity a racist, and use that to excuse your own racist beliefs and views.
     
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    A slavemaster none the less. Would you feel better about being a slave if you had a benevolent slavemaster?
     
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    depends.... living in a mud hut in Africa.... or living on a plantation with meals provided. Hell, slaves in the NE were fed lobsters


    http://www.history.com/news/a-taste-of-lobster-history
     
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    so, the first slavemaster was a slave?
    how does that work?
     
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    african architecture differs to european or american. stone buildings were not as common because the hot climate didnt necesitate it. that said there were plenty of stone buildings in Afrika prior to the european invasion, the pyramids are an obvious example.
     
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    so it was only racist when whites did it? that's the point.
     
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    not all blacks were slaves in America..... your selective outrage to the institution whenever it fits your agenda is laughable when you don't even understand what the institution was about.....
     
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    The ones sold into slavery lived in grass huts.


    People STILL live grass huts pooping in a pot that they dump in their drinking water.....

    Slavery was an upgrade for most, even in the 1600's


    Slaves were viewed as property.... whether we agree with that line of thinking isn't the issue. But a good slave cost about the equivalent of a good used car. I looked it up one time.... but it was roughly equivalent to about 4500$ in today's money.


    With that said.... if I'm dropping 4500 on property.... I'm going to ensure I protect my investment.


    If you think of it like dog ownership (and I don't believe blacks are equivalent to blacks in worth, I'm basing this off of the times people owned slaves).... if I spend 4500 on a good dog.... I'm going to make sure it's taken care of.


    I don't suggest some slave owners didn't beat or kill their slaves.... but to think they all did is idiotic thinking because noone wants to just kill a $800-$1500 slave because they hate blacks....
     
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    thoughts, apparently
     

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