The Abortion Issue - Can it be Solved?

Steph some more information. This is evidence that "Life starts at conception" is taught in Medical schools and appears in medical textbooks.



"Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote."
[England, Marjorie A. Life Before Birth. 2nd ed. England: Mosby-Wolfe, 1996, p.31]


"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception).
"Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."
[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]


"Embryo: the developing organism from the time of fertilization until significant differentiation has occurred, when the organism becomes known as a fetus."
[Cloning Human Beings. Report and Recommendations of the National Bioethics Advisory Commission. Rockville, MD: GPO, 1997, Appendix-2.]


"Embryo: An organism in the earliest stage of development; in a man, from the time of conception to the end of the second month in the uterus."
[Dox, Ida G. et al. The Harper Collins Illustrated Medical Dictionary. New York: Harper Perennial, 1993, p. 146]


"Embryo: The early developing fertilized egg that is growing into another individual of the species. In man the term 'embryo' is usually restricted to the period of development from fertilization until the end of the eighth week of pregnancy."
[Walters, William and Singer, Peter (eds.). Test-Tube Babies. Melbourne: Oxford University Press, 1982, p. 160]


"The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
[Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3]


"Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism.... At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun.... The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life."
[Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943]


"I would say that among most scientists, the word 'embryo' includes the time from after fertilization..."
[Dr. John Eppig, Senior Staff Scientist, Jackson Laboratory (Bar Harbor, Maine) and Member of the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 31]


"The development of a human begins with fertilization, a process by which the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
[Sadler, T.W. Langman's Medical Embryology. 7th edition. Baltimore: Williams & Wilkins 1995, p. 3]


"The question came up of what is an embryo, when does an embryo exist, when does it occur. I think, as you know, that in development, life is a continuum.... But I think one of the useful definitions that has come out, especially from Germany, has been the stage at which these two nuclei [from sperm and egg] come together and the membranes between the two break down."
[Jonathan Van Blerkom of University of Colorado, expert witness on human embryology before the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 63]


"Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
[Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]


"The chromosomes of the oocyte and sperm are...respectively enclosed within female and male pronuclei. These pronuclei fuse with each other to produce the single, diploid, 2N nucleus of the fertilized zygote. This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development."
[Larsen, William J. Human Embryology. 2nd edition. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1997, p. 17]


"Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and Müller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]


"Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."
[Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]


"[A]nimal biologists use the term embryo to describe the single cell stage, the two-cell stage, and all subsequent stages up until a time when recognizable humanlike limbs and facial features begin to appear between six to eight weeks after fertilization....
"[A] number of specialists working in the field of human reproduction have suggested that we stop using the word embryo to describe the developing entity that exists for the first two weeks after fertilization. In its place, they proposed the term pre-embryo....
"I'll let you in on a secret. The term pre-embryo has been embraced wholeheartedly by IVF practitioners for reasons that are political, not scientific. The new term is used to provide the illusion that there is something profoundly different between what we nonmedical biologists still call a six-day-old embryo and what we and everyone else call a sixteen-day-old embryo.
"The term pre-embryo is useful in the political arena -- where decisions are made about whether to allow early embryo (now called pre-embryo) experimentation -- as well as in the confines of a doctor's office, where it can be used to allay moral concerns that might be expressed by IVF patients. 'Don't worry,' a doctor might say, 'it's only pre-embryos that we're manipulating or freezing. They won't turn into real human embryos until after we've put them back into your body.'"
[Silver, Lee M. Remaking Eden: Cloning and Beyond in a Brave New World. New York: Avon Books, 1997, p. 39]



http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

 

Churchmouse:""""" NO ONE SHOULD BE FORCED TO DO SOMETHING THEY DON'T WANT TO DO. GET IT? """""



So why do YOU want to force women to give birth ???????????



????????????? Guess YOU don't "get it"...

 

http://liveactionnews.org/life-begins-at-conception-science-teaches/

 

Anyone ever heard the old saying, "Quiet as a church mouse" ?

 

Life itself does not begin at conception, as both the sperm and the egg are alive prior to that. Otherwise we'd be talking about something similar to abiogenesis. What begins at conception is the development of a unique life that did not exist prior.

Either way this changes absolutely nothing, nor is this new information, because nobody is contesting the fact that the fetus is alive.

 

OP asked for your thoughts....she can cut and paste on her own

Maybe you should read the OP so you can address IT....

 

Then why did you say this...

 

Of course the egg and sperm are human life. As is every other living human cell.

You have provided no rational (valid or otherwise) as to why the single human cell at conception should be classified as a living human.
(opinion with out giving the reason "the why" is not "rational" just so we are clear)

Whether the human life is new or not is irrelevant.

Of course science states that the zygote is human life ... so is every heart cell. So what.

You could even say that when a new heart cell is formed that it is "new human life"

Your argument is nonsense.

 

What a joke of a link

This is just abject stupidity beyond words and shows a complete lack of scientific understanding.

There are many different scientific views on when life begins. Many maintain that life is a continuum and has no beginning. That animate does not come from inanimate is a scientific fact.

When the life of a new human begins is a different question. Even answering this question to the affirmative at some point ( conception, implantation, and so on - there are numerous different answers from science) does not make this entity a "living human".

The beginning of a building is not a building, the beginning (first cell) of a heart is not a heart, and the beginning of a human is not a human.

Various scientific perspectives are as follows:

Metabolic view
Genetic view
Embryological view
Neurological view
Ecological/ Technological view

You can read more about each perspective here:

http://biology.franklincollege.edu/Bioweb/Biology/course_p/bioethics/When does human life begin.pdf

Do each of these scientific perspectives claim "without reservation" that life begins at conception ?

Absolutely not.

The premise claimed in the liveactionnews link is so stupid it hurts.

 

More on the retarded claim stated in this retarded link.

From Biology Online

http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Life

It is no secret that "experts disagree" on the question of when the life of a human begins.

Please stop making the fallacious claim: "Science teaches without reservation that life begins at conception"...

and lets get on with some debate that is has some basis in fact.

So then. Can we agree that "experts disagree" ?

 

So instead of "assurances" why don't you put your money where your mouth is and show the "glaring faults", otherwise your assertion is just smoke in the wind.

 

I've already replied to your questions, but I felt I had to add another comment .. by asking what you have here you will get the extreme views of both sets of the debate, however I would warn you that there are certain posters here who take the 'art' of generalization to new heights. They will continue to put forward their assumptions even after they have been debunked numerous times, you can usually tell these types by the constant use of "pro-abortion", "murderers" & using 'baby' instead of the correct terminology to impose an emotional reaction in others, you will also see them jump around raising different issues whenever something they have posted has been shown to be false, they rarely look at statistics or polls usually dismissing them as irrelevant or biased.
They seem to think that the whole abortion issue is one great big conspiracy involving the government & organisations like PP and is purely based around the loss of "good Christian morals".
Take a look around some of the other threads here and you will see exactly what I am talking about.

 

I would recommend you read this, as it will inform you better than anything else:
http://2think.org/abortion.shtml

 

Because as of this moment I have no indication that anyone with more than half a brain is interested. You're welcome.

 

When did that ever stop you from posting before?

 

As expected the usual hoop jumping to avoid actually posting something of merit.

 

Have to say that is one of the most balanced items I have ever seen on the abortion issue, thank you for linking to it.

 

It doesn't really matter to me if those things that could be interperted "glaring faults" of the roe vs wade decision were part of the original intention when was roe vs wade was made. As long as it's possible to somehow interpret them there with the "loophole arguement", that's good enough for me.