The American Empire Is Coming To An End

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    using those new nukes is unthinkable. the sooner we stop building things that will destroy our own planet the sooner we can claim all the "exceptional" and "indispensable" bs.
     
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    So we agree. I'm glad.
     
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    My evidence is solid, yours is simply misinformation fed to you by the msm.

    the left is so busy grieving over a pedo killed by someone defending themselves because of politics they can’t even grieve for the 8 year old killed at the parade. Your outrage is so singular focused on political perspective, it’s quite unfortunate.

    and y’all still made race an issue in the KR case despite it not being involved at all.

    the pattern of behavior for racism, and race baiting behavior on the left is beyond question.
     
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    RodB, if America has been at word for 225 years of the 243 years since the country was founded ( that number might be different since the calculation was made, but not that much different ) then saying 'we've been piss poor at avoiding war' is a reasonable statement.

    Now, whether it's 222, or 223, out or 243, or 239, these numbers change, depending on your calculation, but not by much.

    To wit:
    1776 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamagua Wars, Second Cherokee War, Pennamite-Yankee War

    1777 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Second Cherokee War, Pennamite-Yankee War

    1778 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

    1779 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

    1780 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

    1781 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

    1782 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

    1783 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

    1784 – Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War, Oconee War

    1785 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

    1786 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

    1787 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

    1788 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

    1789 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

    1790 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

    1791 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

    1792 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

    1793 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

    1794 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

    1795 – Northwest Indian War

    1796 – No major war

    1797 – No major war

    1798 – Quasi-War

    1799 – Quasi-War

    1800 – Quasi-War

    1801 – First Barbary War

    1802 – First Barbary War

    1803 – First Barbary War

    1804 – First Barbary War

    1805 – First Barbary War

    1806 – Sabine Expedition

    1807 – No major war

    1808 – No major war

    1809 – No major war

    1810 – U.S. occupies Spanish-held West Florida

    1811 – Tecumseh’s War

    1812 – War of 1812, Tecumseh’s War, Seminole Wars, U.S. occupies Spanish-held Amelia Island and other parts of East Florida

    1813 – War of 1812, Tecumseh’s War, Peoria War, Creek War, U.S. expands its territory in West Florida

    1814 – War of 1812, Creek War, U.S. expands its territory in Florida, Anti-piracy war

    1815 – War of 1812, Second Barbary War, Anti-piracy war

    1816 – First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war

    1817 – First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war

    1818 – First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war

    1819 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war

    1820 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war

    1821 – Anti-piracy war (see note above)

    1822 – Anti-piracy war (see note above)

    1823 – Anti-piracy war, Arikara War

    1824 – Anti-piracy war

    1825 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war

    1826 – No major war

    1827 – Winnebago War

    1828 – No major war

    1829 – No major war

    1830 – No major war

    1831 – Sac and Fox Indian War

    1832 – Black Hawk War

    1833 – Cherokee Indian War

    1834 – Cherokee Indian War, Pawnee Indian Territory Campaign

    1835 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War

    1836 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War, Missouri-Iowa Border War

    1837 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War, Osage Indian War, Buckshot War

    1838 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Buckshot War, Heatherly Indian War

    1839 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars

    1840 – Seminole Wars, U.S. naval forces invade Fiji Islands

    1841 – Seminole Wars, U.S. naval forces invade McKean Island, Gilbert Islands, and Samoa

    1842 – Seminole Wars

    1843 – U.S. forces clash with Chinese, U.S. troops invade African coast

    1844 – Texas-Indian Wars

    1845 – Texas-Indian Wars

    1846 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars

    1847 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars

    1848 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War

    1849 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians

    1850 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, California Indian Wars, Pitt River Expedition

    1851 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, California Indian Wars

    1852 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, California Indian Wars

    1853 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, Walker War, California Indian Wars

    1854 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians

    1855 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Yakima War, Winnas Expedition, Klickitat War, Puget Sound War, Rogue River Wars, U.S. forces invade Fiji Islands and Uruguay

    1856 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Puget Sound War, Rogue River Wars, Tintic War

    1857 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Utah War, Conflict in Nicaragua

    1858 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Mohave War, California Indian Wars, Spokane-Coeur d’Alene-Paloos War, Utah War, U.S. forces invade Fiji Islands and Uruguay

    1859 Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Pecos Expedition, Antelope Hills Expedition, Bear River Expedition, John Brown’s raid, U.S. forces launch attack against Paraguay, U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1860 – Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Paiute War, Kiowa-Comanche War

    1861 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign

    1862 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Dakota War of 1862,

    1863 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Colorado War, Goshute War

    1864 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Colorado War, Snake War

    1865 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Colorado War, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War

    1866 – Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Franklin County War, U.S. invades Mexico, Conflict with China

    1867 – Texas-Indian Wars, Long Walk of the Navajo, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War, U.S. troops occupy Nicaragua and attack Taiwan

    1868 – Texas-Indian Wars, Long Walk of the Navajo, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Comanche Wars, Battle of Washita River, Franklin County War

    1869 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War

    1870 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War

    1871 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War, Kingsley Cave Massacre, U.S. forces invade Korea

    1872 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Modoc War, Franklin County War

    1873 – Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Modoc War, Apache Wars, Cypress Hills Massacre, U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1874 – Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Red River War, Mason County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1875 – Conflict in Mexico, Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Eastern Nevada, Mason County War, Colfax County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1876 – Texas-Indian Wars, Black Hills War, Mason County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1877 – Texas-Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Black Hills War, Nez Perce War, Mason County War, Lincoln County War, San Elizario Salt War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1878 – Paiute Indian conflict, Bannock War, Cheyenne War, Lincoln County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1879 – Cheyenne War, Sheepeater Indian War, White River War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1880 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1881 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1882 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1883 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1884 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1885 – Apache Wars, Eastern Nevada Expedition, U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1886 – Apache Wars, Pleasant Valley War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1887 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1888 – U.S. show of force against Haiti, U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1889 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1890 – Sioux Indian War, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Ghost Dance War, Wounded Knee, U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1891 – Sioux Indian War, Ghost Dance War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1892 – Johnson County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1893 – U.S. forces invade Mexico and Hawaii

    1894 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1895 – U.S. forces invade Mexico, Bannock Indian Disturbances

    1896 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

    1897 – No major war

    1898 – Spanish-American War, Battle of Leech Lake, Chippewa Indian Disturbances

    1899 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

    1900 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

    1901 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

    1902 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

    1903 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

    1904 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

    1905 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

    1906 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

    1907 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

    1908 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

    1909 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

    1910 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

    1911 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

    1912 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

    1913 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars, New Mexico Navajo War

    1914 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico

    1915 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico, Colorado Paiute War

    1916 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico

    1917 – Banana Wars, World War I, U.S. invades Mexico

    1918 – Banana Wars, World War I, U.S invades Mexico

    1919 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico

    1920 – Banana Wars

    1921 – Banana Wars

    1922 – Banana Wars

    1923 – Banana Wars, Posey War

    1924 – Banana Wars

    1925 – Banana Wars

    1926 – Banana Wars

    1927 – Banana Wars

    1928 – Banana Wars

    1930 – Banana Wars

    1931 – Banana Wars

    1932 – Banana Wars

    1933 – Banana Wars

    1934 – Banana Wars

    1935 – No major war

    1936 – No major war

    1937 – No major war

    1938 – No major war

    1939 – No major war

    1940 – No major war

    1941 – World War II

    1942 – World War II

    1943 – Wold War II

    1944 – World War II

    1945 – World War II

    1946 – Cold War (U.S. occupies the Philippines and South Korea)

    1947 – Cold War (U.S. occupies South Korea, U.S. forces land in Greece to fight Communists)

    1948 – Cold War (U.S. forces aid Chinese Nationalist Party against Communists)

    1949 – Cold War (U.S. forces aid Chinese Nationalist Party against Communists)

    1950 – Korean War, Jayuga Uprising

    1951 – Korean War

    1952 – Korean War

    1953 – Korean War

    1954 – Covert War in Guatemala

    1955 – Vietnam War

    1956 – Vietnam War

    1957 – Vietnam War

    1958 – Vietnam War

    1959 – Vietnam War, Conflict in Haiti

    1960 – Vietam War

    1961 – Vietnam War

    1962 – Vietnam War, Cold War (Cuban Missile Crisis; U.S. marines fight Communists in Thailand)

    1963 – Vietnam War

    1964 – Vietnam War

    1965 – Vietnam War, U.S. occupation of Dominican Republic

    1966 – Vietnam War, U.S. occupation of Dominican Republic

    1967 – Vietnam War

    1968 – Vietnam War

    1969 – Vietnam War

    1970 – Vietnam War

    1971 – Vietnam War

    1972 – Vietnam War

    1973 – Vietnam War, U.S. aids Israel in Yom Kippur War

    1974 – Vietnam War

    1975 – Vietnam War

    1976 – No major war

    1977 – No major war

    1978 – No major war

    1979 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan)

    1980 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan)

    1981 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), First Gulf of Sidra Incident

    1982 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Lebanon

    1983 – Cold War (Invasion of Grenada, CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Lebanon

    1984 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Persian Gulf

    1985 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua)

    1986 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua)

    1987 – Conflict in Persian Gulf

    1988 – Conflict in Persian Gulf, U.S. occupation of Panama

    1989 – Second Gulf of Sidra Incident, U.S. occupation of Panama, Conflict in Philippines

    1990 – First Gulf War, U.S. occupation of Panama

    1991 – First Gulf War

    1992 – Conflict in Iraq

    1993 – Conflict in Iraq

    1994 – Conflict in Iraq, U.S. invades Haiti

    1995 – Conflict in Iraq, U.S. invades Haiti, NATO bombing of Bosnia and Herzegovina

    1996 – Conflict in Iraq

    1997 – No major war

    1998 – Bombing of Iraq, Missile strikes against Afghanistan and Sudan

    1999 – Kosovo War

    2000 – No major war

    2001 – War on Terror in Afghanistan

    2002 – War on Terror in Afghanistan and Yemen

    2003 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, and Iraq

    2004 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

    2005 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

    2006 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

    2007 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen

    2008 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

    2009 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

    2010 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

    2011 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen; Conflict in Libya (Libyan Civil War)

    2012 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Syria and Yemen

    2013 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Syria and Yemen

    2014 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Syria and Yemen; Civil War in Ukraine

    2015 – War on Terror in Somalia, Somalia, Syria and Yemen; Civil War in Ukraine
     
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    So what? .

    What is a republic?

    A republic is a government of either appointed, or elected, leaders, this is as opposed to a land owning monarch or dictatorship.


    So, what kind of republic?

    Islamic?
    Calvinist?
    Socialist?

    OR DEMOCRATIC?

    We are a constitutional republic, noting 'constitutional republic' and 'representative democracy' and 'liberal democracy' are NOT mutually exclusive terms.
     
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    There is no country that has ever existed that is more tolerant, stronger, better economically, scientifically or just better than the U.S.

    Yet that won’t save us from the clutches of the race baiting left. They will destroy our nation.

    some people will do something
     
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    Nope they were driven over seas by high taxes and labor costs and expensive rules and regulations.
     
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    Okay, bring it on.
     
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    Oh, and I'm sure all those libertarian conservatives love the fact that half of medical and scientific research and development is funded by the government.

    Give me break.

    If our country were run by libertarians and conservatives for more than a term here and there, we'd be up Schitt's Creek in no time.
     
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    Incorrect, we would be far better off.

    Hell, the current regime is the perfect example of dems in power. Nothing but authoritarianism, higher prices, more suffering across the board.
     
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    I have no trouble thinking about it.

    And speaking of using nukes, the Obama Administration developed tactical nukes that have a small clean yield and extremely good accuracy so they can land direct hits on military targets with little collateral damage.

    They are the ultimate in usable nukes.

    http://fas.org/blogs/security/2013/09/b61-12holland/
    http://fas.org/blogs/security/2013/10/b61-12hearing/
    http://fas.org/blogs/security/2014/01/b61capability/
    http://fas.org/blogs/security/2014/02/b61-12pictures/
    http://fas.org/blogs/security/2014/03/b61-12integration/
    http://fas.org/blogs/security/2014/04/b61-12features/
    http://fas.org/blogs/security/2015/11/b61-12_cartwright/
    http://fas.org/blogs/security/2016/01/b61-12_earth-penetration/


    We are not going to stop building weapons to protect ourselves.

    We are also not going to stop being proud of our country.
     
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    Oh yeah, nothing spells 'authoritarianism' than Trump telling 74 million americans, for over a year, week after week, at every rally, on every appearance on television, that the only way democrats can win is to rig the election, before any ballot was ever cast, that democrats are stealing the election, that they are committing fraud, that they intend on destroying America, that they intend on eliminating the right to own a gun, a narrative so wrong, so untruthful, a heinous rhetoric to a degree of which was hitherto unheard of by any candidate in history, is propaganda commensurate with authoritarianism, for
    It created the mantra, the welling anger, the volcanic juggernaut that erupted on Jan 6, a directed mission to 'stop the steal' and resulted in millions in damage and 5 - 7 deaths.

    Oh yeah, nothing spells 'authoritarianism' more than Trump's continuous incendiary acts, comments, mentions, speeches, on 1/6, and back covering over a period of many months, of which the predominant message was 'democrats stole the election' and that lie began before the first ballot was cast, inculcated in the minds and hearts of his follows long and hard, to such an extent, that it caused a welling up of what can rightfully be characterized as a juggernaut of rage, erupting in volcanic fashion on 1/6, resulting in several deaths and millions of worth of property damaged, some property stolen, and trespassing of the offices of congresspersons and senators and the terrorizing of persons thereby, and the delay of several hours of the constitutional proceedings.

    It's called 'seditious conspiracy' a veritable coup, which is 100% commensurate with authoritarianism.

    And don't bother comparing this to BLM riots, which were NOT inspired by the president of the united states against the seat of democracy. It's not about $ in damages, it's about damage to American democracy. There is no greater threat to American Democracy than the current iteration of the GOP.
     
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    This is a false justification for the race and religious discrimination and violence against those who come here, but also those who have been here for generations.
    This is just a blatant attempt at justifying discrimination on false pretenses.
    Whether true in the past or not, Roosevelt's comments clearly ignore that the violent race hatred, the discrimination, etc., that we see today has nothing to do with people not "properly" assimilating themselves.

    Those whose lives are impacted include those from families that have been living here for many generations. And, the fact is that we're fully capable as a nation of ignoring when they are not just discriminated against, but are in fact murdered.

    His suggestion that there is divided allegiance is not supportable, and is used as a false justification for those bent on serious discrimination, including violence against individual citizens.

    His suggestion that there can be only one language is not good enough. The USA is and has benefitted from being a melting pot. And, the English language facility of those who have come here may be fine for everyday use, but is not necessarily sufficient to understand our government communications, our health care, etc., in the detail that is clearly necessary. Besides, we have a major tourist industry that is damaged by any notion of intolerance of language.

    And coming as it does after stating justifications for excluding US citizens of various descriptions, his suggestion of loyalty to the "American people" carries a strong odor of suggesting that there are citizens who are rightly to be excluded.

    And again, that is just not acceptable.
     
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    Tactical nukes are the gateway drug to nuclear war. If we use those nukes, there is no possible justification for others not using theirs.

    And, that is what makes it important for Iran and others to develop nuclear weapons.

    Having America be proud of crafting a world of nuclear arms is moral depravity.
     
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    Broader nuclear war is where those bigger nukes that I referred to earlier come into the picture.


    It is illegal for Iran and others to develop nuclear weapons.

    Additionally, given Iran's support for terrorism, war crimes, and general all around evil, it is a bad idea to allow them to do so.


    We are not responsible for what the rest of the world does. But there is no reason for us to not be proud of what we do. We are not perfect, but we are clearly one of the good guys.
     
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    Amen. I see the decline in the tiny land masses filled with large cities. But the other 90 plus % of he U.S. is doing just fine. Sometimes I feel like an outsider in my own country. Everything looks pretty good from my perspective. I don't enter large cities for any reason.
     
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    We are responsible for moving the world closer to requiring countries to develop nuclear arms. We claim these arms as being a deterrent. And, that is an argument that justifies the nuclear arms industry of every other country.

    Our ability to contribute to decisions on what is legal or illegal for Iran or other nations to do does not come without a requirement that we join world wide institutions that favor proscription of nuclear weapons or that we form treaties that include Iran and others that include such proscription.

    For years now the US has HATED that.

    Thus, claims of Iran being illegal are really just plain BS.

    There are lots of "good guys". And, we are tarnishing our own self-awarded gold stars when we tolerate violent racism, when we assault our own democracy by working to deny equality of representation, when even elected officials take part in violent revolutionary insurgency as Jan 6 and continue to defend THAT as American (instead of democracy), when we support the humanitarian atrocities of Israel, when we promote nuclear weapons instead of diplomacy, etc.

    America knows what is better, as can be seen by reading our founding documents. We should be perpetually proud of that. But, claiming we walk that walk is more complicated. There are lots of "good guys".
     
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    This is just silly, There is no line like that.

    Turn it around. What would WE do if someone uses small nukes on us?

    Let's say they used a small nuclear weapon to carefully eliminate the NYC financial district.
     
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    Other countries are not required to develop nuclear weapons. If they choose to do so, they are responsible for their own decisions. We are not to blame for what other countries decide to do.


    But we were still doing it despite disliking it. We've been drawing down our nukes for some time now.

    We are only starting to build our weapons back up because it is clear that foreign aggression makes it necessary.


    The law is clear. The Non Proliferation Treaty forbids them from having nuclear weapons.


    Good grief. Let's not start a political discussion. They get so tedious.


    Israel does not commit any atrocities. They merely defend themselves from an implacable enemy who refuses to ever make peace with them.


    It's not a matter of either/or. The proper course is to promote both weapons and diplomacy.


    I agree that we aren't perfect. But we certainly aren't the bad guys.


    I'm not sure what you mean. The line between tactical and strategic nukes?


    The tactical nukes will not be used against any financial districts. They are designed for destroying Russian troop formations that have invaded the EU.
     
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    When WE claim to be creating more nukes for deterrence, we are setting a standard that others absolutely do have to consider.
    Reducing the number of times we can kill all life on Earth is a "drawdown", but it is meaningless in terms of ANY rational perspective.

    And, building more nukes IS an nuclear arms escalation at a time where we are doing little to promote other methods of conflict resolution. It is us preferring nuclear arms over negotiation.
    We're also essentially in violation, as the pillars of the NPT include disarmament as the driving force and as the second pillar of the treaty.

    Instead, we are escalating, as you point out.

    The result is that those that don't have such weapons see the NPT as little more than a method of the haves working to maintain nuclear enforced supremacy.
    This is ABSOLUTELY false. Their perpetual war against Gaza, running it as an open air prison, while refusing all negotiation has NO legitimacy.

    Their ethnic cleansing of West Bank IS a humanitarian atrocity that is clearly carried out for financial benefit.
    We are escalating nuclear arms, not diplomacy.
    OK, then say we aren't the "bad guys".
    Yes - there is no line between tactical and strategic nukes when some nation starts using nuclear weapons of any size.

    The point about NYC is in support of the absence of such a line.

    If someone were to use a tactical nuke to wipe out the NYC financial district, we would NOT limit our response to tactical nuclear weapons. And, no other country would, either.

    Their response might be limited in some way, but NOT because there is some line in size of weapons.

    And, our decision to ONCE AGAIN use nuclear weapons would NEVER be forgotten throughout human history.
     
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    We were in Yugoslavia, in Syria when Obama armed the terrorists to (try to) remove Assad, and we were with the illegal 2014 coup in Ukraine. That's enough. You shouldn't swallow the fake news whole.

    Russia will never invade the EU, unless the EU has invaded first, ala Nazi Germany.

    The Cold War has been over for decades. Now, Russia is on the right path and we are not....at least not when the neo cons, RINOS and Democrats in charge.
     
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    Russia is taking a highly aggressive stance in Eastern Europe.

    Our move to reenergize our nuclear arms development and manufacturing IS a cold war escalation.

    The US right wing pushed hard to do what you call "arm the terrorists" in Syria. The problem there was that the locals had a significant number of militias, each with slightly different objectives. When we aided any one of them, the aid tended to get shared between the militias - some of whom we opposed. And, just about 100% of the fighters there were those from the region, not western forces.

    No US political group had a superior solution for Syria. And, remember that Bush43 put Assad's government on the US "regime change" list in 2001. The problem got worse, obviously, but there was way more than a decade of the US not having an answer. In fact, there is no real answer today.

    Our efforts have resulted in the Taliban owning Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria being strategically aligned with Iran.
     
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    Russia ain't doing ****. Let's put that to bed right now. Are the Russians sailing warships off the Texas coast in the Gulf of Mexico? Are the Russians arming the Mexicans or training the Mexicans? NO and NO.

    But the US is sailing in the Black Sea just off Russia's coast....and the Black Sea ain't quite an easily accessible ocean either. The US is arming the Nazi-Led Kiev government that is in power because of the US led 2014 illegal coup. The Nazi-Led Kiev government is in the business of ethnic Russian genocide in the Donbass. You okay with your tax dollars funding Nazis??

    SO who the **** is the aggressor here?

    I've been to Ukraine 6 or 7 times in the last 4 years and I've been to Russia 7 times as well. If you actually went there, then you'd see this for what it is. Ukraine is the armpit of Europe. Moldova is actually worse but Moldova isn't ripping off US taxpayers looking for free ****...that is funneled to corrupt oligarchs. Ukraine is.
     
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    Simplistic and void!
     
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    Nobody said everyone wants to come here.

    But the fact remains that tons of people risk their lives to get to the US and tons more are on waiting lists. There's a reason for it too.

    It's also a fact that there aren't droves of people risking their lives to get out of this country either.

    When you look at facts and facts only, they speak for themselves.
     

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