The atomic bombs dropped in WW2 were unecessary.

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  1. Vegas giants

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    I offer the words of the military, political and scientific leaders at the time

    http://www.doug-long.com/quotes.htm

    Here is the first one

    ~~DWIGHT EISENHOWER
    "...in [July] 1945... Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. ...the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently expecting a vigorous assent.

    "During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..."

    - Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380

    In a Newsweek interview, Eisenhower again recalled the meeting with Stimson:

    "...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."

    - Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63
     
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    And we gave it to them.
     
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    In the worst way possible
     
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    There was no other way.

    Invasion of Japan would have resulted in far more casualties........and included thousands of Americans.
     
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    The option would have been to physically invade Japan and even their children were trained to fight to the death. We saved a lot of American lives by dropping those bombs.
     
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    Invasion was never needed

    "...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."

    "It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.

    "...the Japanese were prepared to negotiate all the way from February 1945...up to and before the time the atomic bombs were dropped; ...if such leads had been followed up, there would have been no occasion to drop the [atomic] bombs."
     
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    Not according to the experts of the day. The war was over

    In early May of 1946 Hoover met with General Douglas MacArthur. Hoover recorded in his diary, "I told MacArthur of my memorandum of mid-May 1945 to Truman, that peace could be had with Japan by which our major objectives would be accomplished. MacArthur said that was correct and that we would have avoided all of the losses, the Atomic bomb, and the entry of Russia into Manchuria."
     
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    If they were ready to surrender why didn't they after the first bomb?
     
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    They needed more than three days. Their lines of communication with Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crippled.
     
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    Your source?
     
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    Something Eisenhower said years after is not evidence that he opposed the atomic bombings of Japan. Show us something where he specifically advised against the bombings BEFORE they were carried out.
     
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    I have quoted many times that the Japanese were ready to surrender. You think they knew IMMEDIATELY the extent of what happened at Hiroshima? Really?
     
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    Hoover was not a military expert.

    What MacArthur claimed in 1946 (when he had the beginnings of presidential asperations by the way) were not relevant either.
     
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    Read it again. July 1945. You just made my point
     
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    Eisenhower JULY 1945
     
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    There is no evidence whatsoever that the Japanese were "ready to surrender". Hell even after Nagasaki the military in Japan tried to stage a coup when they learned that Emperor Hirohito actually planned to surrender.

    Incidentally, technically speaking Hirohito did not actually have the political authority to surrender Japan. Though he did have the moral authority.
     
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    He CLAIMED he advised that in July 1945. But he made the claim that he advised that years after the fact.
     
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    Except the military experts disagree with you. So we have your opinion....and theirs. LOL
     
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    Now you are suggesting he is lying?????
     
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    Immediately had nothing to do with it. Communication wasn't conducted by smoke signals in the 40's. How in the hell would they not know what happened at Hiroshima?

    Again I ask your authoritative source.
     
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    We wanted an unconditional surrender. Japan only offered surrender with conditions.
     
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    What politician hasn't?
     
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    Half a dozen on that reference made that claim. I guess they were all lying. lol
     
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    We gave them the one condition they wanted
     
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    Ok buddy. Japan should have just checked it by google earth on the internet. LOL
     

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