The birther thread to end all birther threads

Your belief is in error.

1. There was no federal subpoena.

2. There is no hearing scheduled for September that the State of Hawaii even needs to attend, let alone where they have to explain anything.

3. Instead Orly Taitz has to go to court in September to try and convince the court to compel satisfaction of her fake "subpoena."

Orly never disappoints.

Worst. Lawyer. Ever.

 

Have either of you examined it? Because everyone who has examined it has stated that it is authentic, and the issuing authority has verified it officially on no less than 5 occasions.

And we don't need to "prove you wrong." Obama has provided far in excess of prima facie evidence that it's genuine and the information on it is correct. The burden is on birthers to prove otherwise. Considering none of them have even examined it yet, that's going to take a while.

Not anymore. The underlying case was thrown out of D.C. District Court as of this morning, which obviates the need for the September hearing on the subpoena, since the action underlying the subpoena no longer exists.

It would have been... Orly is a loon of the highest order.

 

I cringe every time someone mentions that she's a lawyer.

If there was ever a need for proof the standards of my profession are too low, that's it.

 

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I challenge you to produce a statement where ANYONE from the Hawaii Health Dept has CONFIRMED that either of Obama's so-called BC's were authentic. I challenge you to produce ANY statement by either governor that says they have VERIFIED the authenticity of either BC. I can save you some time you won't find any such statements.

 

June 27, 2008 (referring to the originally released COLB):

April 27th, 2011 (referring to the long forms released by the Whitehouse that day):

 

On the same day 4-27 When Obama released the purported long-form certificate, officials in the Hawaii Department of Health and governor’s office refused to simply confirm that the image being presented by Obama was an accurate representation of the records maintained by the state.

Hmmm did the BC released by the Hawaii Dept of Health get changed by Obama's attorney on the flight back? Was that the reason they then refused to comfirm WHAT WAS SHOWN BY OBAMA?

But you know it doesn't matter whether the BC is authentic or not. Obama is not eligible to be President according to the Constitution and 3 Supreme Court rulings. The BC is nothing more than a smoke screen to begin with. Even tho the BC presented has been debunked as a forgery and even the testimony of Hawaii’s former Health Department chief Chiyome Fukino – the one official who claimed to have examined the original birth document under lock and key in Hawaii indicates what was shown is not what is in the vaults. She was interviewed by NBC News’ national investigative correspondent Michael Isikoff, who reported that Fukino told him she had seen the original birth certificate and that it was “half typed and half handwritten.”

Even tho I can give you example after example as to how the BC shown by Obama (which evidently is not the one released by the Hawaii Dept of Health) is a fake it is not necessary. So Let's quit arguing that and get to the real reason he is not eligible. He doesn't qualify as a A NATURAL-BORN CITIZEN. I'll even concede that he was born in Hawaii if you want. That doesn't make him a NATURAL-BORN CITIZEN. Just look up the 3 Supreme court cases that back that up.

 

Come on, Darryl, how many times do you need the same arguments eviscerated? Make an effort man. Come up with something that has not already been debunked in the half dozen or so posts you have left before getting banned again.

 

Debunked in your mind Wong, only in your mind...

 

Yesterday I added the 147th correct prediction of a Birther court decision to my record, vs. exactly zero incorrect.

It's more than just in my mind, Dutch. far more.

 

Well you have already seen the statements, you just want to pretend they don't exist.

I even gave you the link.

Which is why it really sucks to be a Birther...which sounds suspiciously like Apuzzo.

What this does remind me is back in the old days...you know pre-April 2011- when Birthers would niggle over what Dr. Fukino said or didn't say...and would claim she never confirmed that Barack Obama's birth certificate was from HAWAII- and then would ignore her statement that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. Birthers were then making more nonsensical statements like yours- trying to pretend Hawaii didn't say Barack Obama was born in Hawaii because you didn't see the exact wordage you think Hawaii should be saying.

So sorry Charlie...you go ahead and convince the public that Hawaii hasn't said affirmatively and conclusively that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Go for it.

(oh and please feel free to endorse whatever Republican candidate you wish...please embrace Bachmann or Perry or whoever with your claims)

 

Refused to confirm to whom? Some internet blogger? Who asked and who refused? Really one of the rather sillier and inane Birther claims.

Why?

Because you are claiming that Hawaii refused to confirm it on April 27- of course, Hawaii has posted a press release- dated April 27, 2011, which clearly and absolutely confirmed that a) Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and that b) the birth certificate he produced was what was provided him by Hawaii.

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/News_Release_Birth_Certificate_042711.pdf

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 27, 2011

HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE

HONOLULU – The Hawai„i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai„i,” Hawai„i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai„i.”On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President‟s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached).
On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.
President Obama authorized Ms. Corley to pick up the documents. On April 25, 2011, Ms. Corley appeared in person at the Hawai„i State Department of Health building in Honolulu, paid the requisite fee, and was given the two certified copies, a response letter from Director Fuddy to President Obama, and a receipt for payment. (Letter from Director Fuddy is attached).
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In June 2008, President Obama released his Certification of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “short form” birth certificate. Both documents are legally sufficient evidence of birth in the State of Hawai„i, and both provide the same fundamental information: President Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawai„i at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961, to mother Stanley Ann Dunham and father Barack Hussein Obama.In 2001, the Hawai„i State Department of Health began computer-generating vital statistics records. Since then, its longstanding policy and practice has been to issue and provide only the computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth, and to not produce photocopies of actual records to fulfill requests for certified copies of certificates.
Director Fuddy made an exception for President Obama by issuing copies of the original birth certificate. The departmental policy to issue only computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth remains in effect for all birth records that have been computerized. Director Fuddy, in her capacity as Health Director, has the legal authority to approve the process by which copies of birth records are made.
“The exception made in this case to provide President Obama with a copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth was done according to the letter of the law,” Attorney General David Louie said. “Director Fuddy exercised her legal authority in a completely appropriate manner in this unique circumstance. We will continue to maintain the strict confidentiality requirements afforded to vital statistics records, such as birth certificates. These requirements help protect the integrity of the records, and keep us all safe from crimes, such as identity theft.”
Governor Neil Abercrombie stated: “Considering all of the investigations that have been done and the information that has been provided, no rational person can question the President‟s citizenship. We have found a way – once again – to confirm what we already knew: the President was born here in Hawai„i. State officials of both parties have verified that President Obama‟s birth records show that he was born in Honolulu.“President Obama‟s mother and father were dear friends of mine, and we must respect their memory. It is an insult to the President, his parents and to the Office to suggest that he was not born in Hawai„i. The State of Hawai„i has done everything within our legal ability to disabuse these conspiracy theorists. We granted the President‟s request for certified copies of his birth certificate so we can all move on from this unfortunate distraction and focus on the real issues affecting people today.”

Also from the Department of Health's website:
"On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth."


"But you know it doesn't matter whether the BC is authentic or not."

Yet you keep trying to pretend that he wasn't born in Hawaii. For someone who doens't think it matters, you seem fine with lieing about what Hawaii has said.

I'll even concede that he was born in Hawaii if you want. That doesn't make him a NATURAL-BORN CITIZEN. Just look up the 3 Supreme court cases that back that up.[/QUOTE]

Except of course the court cases don't back you up- and that is the reason that Chief Justice Roberts had no issue with swearing in Barack Obama, and why Congress had no problem confirming his election, and why 70 million voters ignored the '2 citizen' requirement that you made up after the election.

And why Retired Justice O'Connor said that of course Barack Obama was eligible. And why Scalia said that Natural Born citizen means 'Jus Soli'.

The two citizen fiction was created by Birthers as one more method to try to overturn the legal election of Barack Obama. Whether you are complicit in that fiction, or are just a dupe to the Birther cause...I don't know.

 

Even you don't believe in the two parent fiction. Only a couple dozen birthers espouse that particularly nutty theory.

 

Say what? In other threads of this section, our very own Bull still sternly debunking a notion Obama's selective service record was never made public, and therefore have never existed, LoL True, there's less people now post in these treads, just like it's also true it now takes less Obamabots to keep them occupied

 

Ok. I ask that you concede right now that Obama was born in Hawaii.

 

Why would you insist on that, LoL? To mark it as an achievement in report to your superiors?

 

Oh stake out a position then.

I have never seen you post supporting the Vattel/two citizen parent fiction.

Considering you are willing to argue over any Birther issue, I concluded that you think it is idiocy too, but just don't want to stifle any Birther attack on Obama.

But if I am wrong- if you believe that a Natural born citizen of the United States is someone born here to two citizen parents, well then prove me wrong- join the Vattel club and stand proud.

They need someone else- right now they barely have enough for a baseball team.

 

I didn't ask you.

 

No response.

Why am I not surprised that Dutch won't stand up and be counted.

Dutch just wants to sit on the fence. He thinks the Birther two citizen parent thing is idiotic but is more than willing to let the Birthers lie about it.

 

well, i guess that's it then... very well played wong. this is like mad magazie when we we're kids... how many spy versus spy fogbow hillbilly double agents you got workin' here ?? you almost had me with "foggy... one of wong's hero's from that site"... meet some other cool cats at the lakin trial ??

 

A recent national poll says that even 28% of DEMOCRATS do not believe Obama is eligible to hold the office of President. The school I went to taught math and that 28% translates into a way lot more than a couple dozen birthers.

 

cite the "recent national poll"

 

I absolutely and proudly support the notion US president must be born of two US citizen parents. Have I never said it? There it is, JEFF

 

this is one of the patent alinsky tricks. obots spend a lot of time trying to convince everyone that the issue is either dead or was never a controversy in the first place... if there is a money trail from fogbow to the whitehouse, i'll find it.
we already know they are connected to terry lakin's false imprisonment.

 

Lol, false imprisonment? They idiot plead GUILTY

 

So? People here (you included) routinely reply to the posts, not directed to them. Am I getting under your skin, Councelor?