The birther thread to end all birther threads

Clearly the school you went to did not teach logic.

Show me a poll where 28% of Democrats believe Obama is not eligible BECAUSE his father was not a U.S. citizen and then we can talk.

But you clearly are not able to differentiate between those who have doubts whether he was born here, and those who have created a whole new theory of eligibility.

Good news though- now that Dutch has leapt off the fence, you are up to maybe 25.

And that is another reason it sucks to be a Birther.

 

Well congradulations for taking finally stepping up and taking a position.

 

hehehehehehheheheh.

All I know aboout Alinsky, I have learned from Birthers, and all the "Alinsky" tricks I have seen have been from Birthers.

Like pretending that a poll doubting whether the President was born in the United States applies to whether a President's parents need to be ciizens. Birthers will never miss an opportunity to mislead, or in the case of Lakin, just outright lies.

hahahahah, seroiusly conspiracy paranoia at its best...

 

To jollyroger88805: I thought you might be interested in this excerpt from the enclosed article:

“. . . all US Presidents, except Chester A. Arthur and Barack Hussein Obama, met the eligibility requirements specified in the Constitution. That is, they were all natural born citizens; a US citizen born of two US citizen parents at the time of birth.”

A friend of ours stunned me when she said she never heard about President Chester A. Arthur’s ineligibility until I mentioned it. I was floored because the lady is well-informed; more so than most. She daily goes to the Internet to keep abreast of political doings although she does not read message boards. Her lack of knowledge about Arthur is even more surprising because she is well-versed in the controversy surrounding Hussein’s ineligibility. That tells me that many Americans, less informed than our friend, are also unaware of Arthur’s illegal presidency. More to the point they are unaware of the reason Arthur was not eligible.

Now, I am wondering what the public schools are teaching children about Arthur’s fraud and Arthur in general? I’m willing to bet that somewhere in this favored land there lives a smart-ass student waiting to sandbag the teacher who glosses over Arthur’s presidency. That’s assuming the Department of Education has not forbidden any mention of the 21st president.

Like Obama, Chester A. Arthur was not a natural born citizen
Obama’s ineligibility: All members of Congress have violated their oath of office
Lawrence Sellin Sunday, September 25, 2011

Every member of Congress is required to take the following oath of office:

“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.”

And each member of Congress is now in breach of that oath for violating the Constitution and conspiring to cover-up their malfeasance, a crime which continues to this day.

At the behest of the Democrat and Republican leadership, all Senators and Representatives pretend that they don’t know the definition of natural born citizenship and insist that Obama’s forged Certificate of Live Birth is legitimate.

Members of Congress continue to feign ignorance when presented with evidence that Obama is using a stolen Social Security number and has forged his Selective Service registration.

It is like trying to have an intellectual conversation with someone who believes the Earth is flat.

It is not, however, stupidity, but a criminal conspiracy at the very heart of the US government and every member of Congress is now liable.

The politicians are playing us for fools, hiding the Big Lie while engaging in the Big Stall, hoping that the greatest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people will be overtaken by events and Obama’s crimes and their own criminal complicity will be gradually forgotten.

We know that they are lying; they know that we know that they are lying and we will hold them accountable and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

Every member of Congress is aware that all US Presidents, except Chester A. Arthur and Barack Hussein Obama, met the eligibility requirements specified in the Constitution. That is, they were all natural born citizens; a US citizen born of two US citizen parents at the time of birth.

Like Obama, Chester A. Arthur was not a natural born citizen. He falsified his background and burned all his early family records to cover up his lies.

Arthur perpetrated a fraud as to his eligibility to be Vice President in 1880 by spreading various lies about his parents’ heritage. His father, William Arthur, became a United States citizen in August 1843, fourteen years after he was born. Arthur was, therefore, a British subject by descent and a dual citizen at birth with dual allegiance, just like Obama.

Like Obama, questions of Arthur’s eligibility surfaced during the 1880 campaign. His fraudulent attempt to obfuscate family history provides context and evidence that in 1880 it was recognized that having been born as British subject would make one ineligible to be on the Presidential ticket. His falsification of family history indicates he was aware of his Constitutional ineligibility.

Arthur became President after the assassination of President James Garfield in 1881.

It was only after Arthur’s death that the true facts about his ineligibility became known.

Unlike Arthur, we already know that Obama has never been eligible for the Presidency. We know that he has lied about his history, hides his records and forges documents to cover-up his ineligibility.

Because no one has the courage to speak the truth, Congress has become an accomplice in Obama’s crimes.

“We cannot afford to differ on the question of honesty if we expect our republic permanently to endure. Honesty is not so much a credit as an absolute prerequisite to efficient service to the public. Unless a man is honest, we have no right to keep him in public life; it matters not how brilliant his capacity.” — Theodore Roosevelt

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/40646

 

there is not now, nor has there ever been a requirment that even one parent must be a US citizen, let alone both in order to be eligible. anyone born on US soil, no matter the parents status(unless they have diplomatic immunity)is a natural born US citizen.

 

I love how the Obama haters will even make up a new definition of Natural Born Citizen just to pretend he isn't qualified.

And seriously- citing Canada Free Press- might as well quote Pravda.

 

so you hate canada now too ??

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...on_with_birtherism_a_positive_thi.html?r=news

 

Laugh away.
Like I care what stupid sheeple who believe the pablum/propoganda fed them by the politically owned media think of me anyway!

 

you think anyone who disagrees with obama is a hater, that's ridiculous.
i like herman cain the best so far, so you fimbots won't be able to play the race card this time either. you guys are running out of hardballs, you're throwing fluff... and batting 50

 

Resurrecting another thread? Sure sucks that there aren't any other Birthers to play with doesn't it?

And I do understand why, if you use Birther logic, that you assume that someone that points out the lack of credibility of Canada Free Press hates Canada.

That would be like you saying you oppose the American Communist Party, and then Birthers would assume that means you hate America.

And for all I know, that might be true.

 

Of course not. There are hundreds of Republican Congressman and Senators that disagree with Obama every day, and I don't think they are haters.

I think that those who claim to question his eligibility, but started from a position of despising Obama the man, are haters. Just like you hate him.

You have swallowed the bogeyman that his opponents tried to create when prior to the 2008 election they used innuendo, slander and lies to try to convince the American voters that he was 'other'- a muslim, a homosexual, a communist, anti-American, not American, affirmative action, any xenophobic, racist code words that could be used to convince that American public that the dark man making speeches was not a 'real American'.

I do not care if you oppose him politically. I certainly have my own objections to many of Obama's policies. Most of his political opponents reject Birtherism, recognizing the dangerous nature of it- which is why Rove denounces it, and Jeb Bush denounces it. But there is a small minority of haters who hate the man for a multitude of reasons- and for a minority of those people, the Birthers, eligiblity is the platform for them to try to achieve what the voting process didn't for them.

 

it has nothing to do with the media. the electoral college, the ENTIRE congress and the ENTIRE judiciary say he's a natural born citizen.

 

Then why did it become an issue in the first place?
Then why does it not go away? Because some crazy people say crazy things?

Nope, there are credible people with valid evidence that flys in the face of those who don't believe the Constitution is a relevant legal document and that citizenship requirements are obsolete who continue to lie and obfuscate the obviousl while thie stupid sheeple like you eat whatever propoganda is spoon fed to them.

Why do you get so upset anyway when someone brings it up?
Why do you have a knee jerk response to someone else stating an opinion?

 

these are great points by kshrox...

more people are learning everyday. you can't unring a bell. plus i've been saying all along that obama's whole posse is corrupt. and what's the whitehouse up to it's neck in ten different ways...CORRUPTION !! the the overacters that have hovered around the scene would have done better to ignore the story. too much fake it trying to be applied. people can feel when they're being duped. most people are bad liars.. i mean, they're not good at it.

red flag.

 

Because one man- Kerchner- made it up in an attempt to convince people that Obama was not qualified. It has never been a real issue. Look at most of the original law suits and they don't mention it. We have learned what the requirements for President were when we grew up in the U.S.- that is why every reasonable person knew Obama was eligible.


Then why does it not go away? Because some crazy people say crazy things?

For the same reason that the Holocaust denial doesn't go away.


Nope, there are credible people with valid evidence that flys in the face of those who don't believe the Constitution is a relevant legal document and that citizenship requirements are obsolete who continue to lie and obfuscate the obviousl while thie stupid sheeple like you eat whatever propoganda is spoon fed to them.

What part of this can you not understand. I- and I assume Chief Justice Roberts and John McCain and Republican Senator Lindsey Graham and Jeb Bush and Justice Sandra Day O'Connor all belief in the Constitution- which is why we ignore your and Kerchners attempt to distort it. Not a surprise to me that a Birther considers everyone who disagrees with him- virtually everyone in the United States- to be 'sheeple'. Birthers have never respected the Consitution or American citizens.

It offends me that people lie about the Constitution. What you tried to skate around was that all of us- even you if you grew up in the U.S.- grew up learning in Civic's classes that anyone born in the U.S. can aspire to grow up to be elected President one day. There is not one credible legal scholar, politiician, text book, legal dictionary- nobody and nothing agrees with your 'opinion'.

Why do you get so upset when people confront your 'opinion' with the facts?

 

I never mentioned a thing about where he was born now did I? This birther thing you keep trying to plug is nothing more than a smoke screen to the real Constitutional eligibility issue. Sure if he isn't born here then he can not be a natural born citizen. But even moreso if he was not born of 2 citizen parents he is not a "natural born citizen" This is clearly spelled out in the Constitution and several Supreme Court Opinions.
It really really really sucks to be an ineptocrat.

 

One of these days you actually might read and understand Venus, Ark anf Minor. Itobviously isn't today tho.

It really really really sucks to be an ineptocrat

 

Oh please show me where it is 'clearly spelled out in the Constitution'.

And explain please why virtually everyone in the United States believes otherwise.

Including the 70 million voters, the Electoral College, the entire Congress, Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Sandra Day O'Conner, Senator Lindsey Graham, Jeb Bush, Karl Rove, John McCain.

This whole new theory was devised and promoted with the sole intent of reversing the election of 2008.

 

How much wrong can one post have?

Obama of course hasn't hid anything.

His original birth certificate is on file, and in the archives of the State of Hawaii- like every other original Hawaiian birth certificate. He has released two certified copies, both authenticated by the State of Hawaii.

No 'experts on forgery' have weighed in yet- only anti-Obama advocates enlisted by WND.

Really? His mother, and her mother and father going back multiple generations were American citizens. His wife, again, American citizens going back multiple generations. Now his father- yes his father was born in Kenya. So half of his family were Americans. Yet you chose to leave them out. Which is a typical Birther censorship of the facts.


"Look up the definition of NBC - This guy is not an NBC."

Lets do that shall we?

William Rawl- A View of the Constitution- published 1825:

Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.

Who made up the definition that you are using?

 

busted...,

 

Outright falsehood.
He has hid among other things his BC by denying access to it by impartial experts.

Don't bother responding if your stating flat out lies.