The End is Nigh says 3 million americans .

Having become an ardent follower of your unplanned humour , the least amazing thing I have heard this year is that is that something " never ceases to amaze( me) "
It is reasonable to suppose that you live in a permanent state of amazement .
But in answer to your profoundly felt dilemma ,
remember , you don't have to live in a garbage tip to know where the stink is coming from .
Now there's an amazing fact for you .

 

This amazed me. Given that on this forum americans show vast amounts of ignorance to the world. Some don't even know the relevance of philosophical study with china, all they know regarding that country is vague human rights abuse stories.

Also with europe, the sheer scale of incompetence with knoweldge is pitiful. Some americans still believe 'socialism' still has something to do with adolf hitler.

Please understand though, it is not non americans you should blame, we only mock.

 

Wrong. Nazism has deep links to Socialism. Here, from something I wrote in my real life:

Nazism has deep roots in the socialism of the far left. While Fascism is considered the far right of politics, it is a product of the far-left Socialism and has much more in common with Communism than with Democracy.

Throughout the 1800's, Socialism was a major influence in European politics and there was an ongoing political battle between the Socialists and supporters of “liberalism” (at that time, "liberalism" was democracy and capitalism).(*)(*) Many Germans saw WW1 as a revolution between Socialism (Germany and its allies) and Liberalism (embodied by England). Arthur Moeller van den Bruck, an ardent opponent of liberalism and the “patron Saint” of National Socialism, in his book Sozialismus und Aussenpolitik (1933) wrote of WW1, "We have lost the war against the West.(*) Socialism has lost it against Liberalism."

Although Germany lost the war, socialism had won Germany.(*)(*) In the years immediately after WW1, prominent German Socialists declared that Germany had become Socialist and that the pre-WW1 Democratic Socialism (on the far-left of the political spectrum) had been modified into a "practical socialism" more suited to the traditions and post-war condition of the German people.(*) German Socialist Paul Lensch wrote as early as 1918 in Three Years of World Revolution, "The state (Germany) has undergone a process of socialisation, and Social Democracy has undergone a process of nationalization".

Arthur Moeller van den Bruck in his 1923 book Das Dritte Reich (The Third Reich) outlined the merger of socialism and nationalism into a structure which would allow the German people to unite and achieve their destiny.(*)(*) This concept was popular and was promoted by many organizations such as the nationalist and socialist Tatkreis ("Action Circle").(*)(*) Organizations such as the Tatkreis were eventually absorbed into the Nazi Party.(*)

 

Political theory and its being put into practise are entirely seperate entities. Whatever may have been written regarding the abstract link between socialism and fascism does not reflect the reality that National Socialism, as practised by the Nazi party, is fascism writ large. Hitler was a big fan of Mussolini; the leader of the country where European fascism originated, and Hitler's totalitarian policies demonstrated his love for the ideology in the elitism he showed, and the total subordination to the state by the populace as demanded by fascism.

 

Hence the reason we left Europe behind when we came over here.

I'm not blaming you for our condition. That's our own doing. I'm fussing at you because you 'mock' with no real intent other than to annoy. There's plenty enough of that around here without your input. Right, wrong or indifferent, it's still my home.

 

Do You ? Really + Does it work out in reality ?

Your government have the world's best team of psychologists advanced specialist in Applied Psychology of Mass Population Control


I can see they already have control of your mind. . Hehehe .




I leave you with this :

"None are more hopelessly enslaved (stupid) than those who falsely believe they are free (+clever).J W Goethe


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And since your arrival turned that country into the world's largest garbage tip.


tatty-byeeee.

 

FYI - I've made quite a few visits to yr country ( "vacations") perhaps ben to parts you've never been to - plus an extended business/training period- Minn-St.Paul etc. One of my sisters , a niece + 3 nephews-born+ live over there. That gives me a fairly good idea what life in your country is like.

Tatty-byeeee.

BTW - have you ever been to Israel - Midddle east or other countries you've expressed fairly strong opinions on ?


Hmmmm.


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Socialism is rule by the working class, the vast majority. What are you talking about?

 

Look, there's prepared, and there's Guano-insane. Having a 10 year supply of food is not reasonable. Maybe having 6 months and knowing how to farm to a degree or learning some DIY skills that can keep your roof up would be prudent. Building Faraday boxes and learning Ham Radio to protect against solar flares is not going to do much good. Learn Semaphore with a bunch of buddies if you need communication. Buy a bike so you don't need a car. Such things make sense (PS mountan bike, road bikes are crap unless the roads are good) but most of the DD preppers have no idea how to survive. I think I could do better with less. Tilapia is silly -- go to the pet store and buy a rabbit (the phrase breeds like rabbits exists for a reason), or at the least a fishing pole. Most of the people actually prepping aren't the smart ones, and don't know a thing about either farm life or skilled trades. A carpenter will do fine because they have a skill to trade on (probably a plumber as well).

Dark ages happen, and they'll probably happen again. Just not in the way you think it will happen.

 

Politicians-opportunist dictators twist /turn and tell all sorts of lies which they think will gain public support .

But let's see what you've not mentioned - the Origins + EVOLUTION of FASCISM.

(its long but I hope informative )



Origins of Fascism


While socialism (particularly Marxism) came into existence as a clearly formulated theory or program based on a specific interpretation of history, fascism introduced no systematic exposition of its ideology or purpose other than a negative reaction against socialist and democratic egalitarianism. The growth of democratic ideology and popular participation in politics in the 19th cent. was terrifying to some conservative elements in European society, and fascism grew out of the attempt to counter it by forming mass parties based largely on the middle classes and the petty bourgeoisie, exploiting their fear of political domination by the lower classes. Forerunners of fascism, such as Georges Boulanger in France and Adolf Stöker and Karl Lueger in Germany and Austria, in their efforts to gain political power played on people's fears of revolution with its subsequent chaos, anarchy, and general insecurity. They appealed to nationalist sentiments and prejudices, exploited anti-Semitism , and portrayed themselves as champions of law, order, Christian morality, and the sanctity of private property.


Emergence after World War I


The Russian Revolution (1917), the collapse of the Central Powers in 1918, and the disorders caused by Communist attempts to seize power in Germany, Italy, Hungary, and other countries greatly strengthened fascism's appeal to many sections of the European populace. In Italy, particularly, social unrest was combined with nationalist dissatisfaction over the government's failure to reap the promised fruits of victory after World War I. The action of Gabriele D'Annunzio in seizing Fiume ( Rijeka ) was one manifestation of the discontent existing in Italy. Appealing to the masses and especially to the lower middle class through demagogic promises of order and social justice, the fascists could depend upon support, financial and otherwise, from vested interests, who could not muster such popularity themselves.


Governmental paralysis enabled Mussolini in 1922 to obtain the premiership by a show of force. As leader of his National Fascist party, he presented himself as the strong-armed savior of Italy from anarchy and Communism. Borrowing from Russian Communism a system of party organization based on a strict hierarchy and cells, which became typical of fascism everywhere, he made use of an elite party militia-the Black Shirts-to crush opposition and to maintain his power.

In Germany at about the same time a fascist movement similar to that in Italy steadily gathered strength; it called itself the National Socialist German Workers' party (Nazi party). Its leader, Adolf Hitler , won support from a middle class ruined by inflation, from certain elements of the working class, especially the unemployed, and from discontented war veterans; he also gained the backing of powerful financial interests, to whom he symbolized stability and order. However, it was not until 1933 that Hitler could carry through his plans for making Germany a fascist state and the National Socialists the sole legal party in the country.

The military aggression so inherent in fascist philosophy exploded in the Italian invasion (1935) of Ethiopia, the attack (1936) of the Spanish fascists (Falangists) on their republican government (see Spanish civil war ), and Nazi Germany's systematic aggression in Central and Eastern Europe, which finally precipitated (1939) World War II .


Fascism since World War II

The Italian Social Movement (MSI), a minor neofascist party, was formed in Italy in 1946. It won wider support when the pervasive corruption of the governing parties was exposed in the early 1990s, and it became a partner in the conservative government formed after the 1994 elections. In 1995, however, the MSI dissolved itself as it was transformed into a new party headed by former MSI leader Gianfranco Fini and including the majority of former MSI members. Fini's right-wing National Alliance rejected fascist ideology, including anti-Semitism, and embraced democracy as one of its principles and has participated in center-right governing coalitions.
In postwar West Germany, neofascism appeared in the form of the temporary growth of the nationalistic National Democratic party in the mid-1960s. Following German reunification, neo-Nazi groups in the country gained increased prominence, with new members being drawn to the organization as a result of social upheaval and economic dislocation, and the nation experienced an increase in related violence, especially attacks on immigrants and foreigners. Neo-Nazi groups also exist on a small scale in the United States, and right-wing nationalistic movements and parties in countries such as France, Russia, and some republics of the former Yugoslavia have political groups with elements of fascism. For many of these parties, however, ethnic and racial animosity is often more significant than fascist philosophy.

PART 2 FOLLOWS ....

 

Characteristics of Fascist Philosophy


Fascism, especially in its early stages, is obliged to be antitheoretical and frankly opportunistic in order to appeal to many diverse groups. Nevertheless, a few key concepts are basic to it. First and most important is the glorification of the state and the total subordination of the individual to it. The state is defined as an organic whole into which individuals must be absorbed for their own and the state's benefit. This "total state" is absolute in its methods and unlimited by law in its control and direction of its citizens.
A second ruling concept of fascism is embodied in the theory of social Darwinism.

The doctrine of survival of the fittest and the necessity of struggle for life is applied by fascists to the life of a nation-state. Peaceful, complacent nations are seen as doomed to fall before more dynamic ones, making struggle and aggressive militarism a leading characteristic of the fascist state. Imperialism is the logical outcome of this dogma.
Another element of fascism is its elitism. Salvation from rule by the mob and the destruction of the existing social order can be effected only by an authoritarian leader who embodies the highest ideals of the nation. This concept of the leader as hero or superman, borrowed in part from the romanticism of Friedrich Nietzsche , Thomas Carlyle , and Richard Wagner , is closely linked with fascism's rejection of reason and intelligence and its emphasis on vision, creativeness, and "the will."

The Fascist State

Fascism has found adherents in all countries. Its essentially vague and emotional nature facilitates the development of unique national varieties, whose leaders often deny indignantly that they are fascists at all. In its dictatorial methods and in its use of brutal intimidation of the opposition by the militia and the secret police, fascism does not greatly distinguish itself from other despotic and totalitarian regimes. There are particular similarities with the Communist regime in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin. However, unlike Communism, fascism abhors the idea of a classless society and sees desirable order only in a state in which each class has its distinct place and function. Representation by classes (i.e., capital, labor, farmers, and professionals) is substituted for representation by parties, and the corporative state is a part of fascist dogma.

Although Mussolini's and Hitler's governments tended to interfere considerably in economic life and to regulate its process, there can be no doubt that despite all restrictions imposed on them, the capitalist and landowning classes were protected by the fascist system, and many favored it as an obstacle to socialization. On the other hand, the state adopted a paternalistic attitude toward labor, improving its conditions in some respects, reducing unemployment through large-scale public works and armament programs, and controlling its leisure time through organized activities.
Many of these features were adopted by the Franco regime in Spain and by quasi-fascist dictators in Latin America (e.g., Juan Perón ) and elsewhere. A variation of fascism was the so-called clerico-fascist system set up in Austria under Engelbert Dollfuss . This purported to be based on the social and economic doctrines enunciated by Pope Leo XIII and Pope Pius XI, which, however, were never put into operation.

Corporative state

The economic system inaugurated by the Fascist regime of Benito Mussolini in Italy. It was adapted in modified form under other European dictatorships, among them Adolf Hitler's National Socialist regime in Germany and the Spanish regime of Francisco Franco. Although the Italian system was based upon unlimited government control of economic life, it still preserved the framework of capitalism. Legislation of 1926 and later years set up guilds, or associations, of employees and employers to administer various sectors of the national economy. These were represented in the national council of corporations. The corporations were generally weighted by the state in favor of the wealthy classes, and they served to combat socialism and syndicalism by absorbing the trade union movement. The Italian corporative state aimed in general at reduced consumption in the interest of militarization.



http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Fascism_def_char_hx.html


CHEERS ...

 

bTW - Dave - what sort of "Democracy " are you think of ?

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In my opinion, we merely need a federal research university system where we can obtain an answer that conforms to the full faith and credit of public acts in our republic; with its own supercomputing array and dedicated fiber optic network and with a campus on federal property in every State of the Union and the federal districts to Promote the general welfare through any discovery of more perfect knowledge in general.

 

Yes, and I've spent four months in England (mostly at moldyhole, but I did take the time to look around a bit). Does this make me an expert in all things English? UK Politics? Of course not. Nor would I pretend to be.

And I actually enjoy going over there. Prestwick is nice, Cirencester, and, of course, London. And driving around is interesting. Took a bit to get use to, but traffic's not that bad outside of London. Tube is a far better way of getting around there. And that thing is deep under the city! Surprised me how far. Looking forward to going back, though. Nice place to visit.

Over the last fifteen years I have made quite a few trips to the Middle East, all of them courtesy of the US taxpayer. None of them would qualify for a vacation, though I did try to make the best I could out of them. And yes, I studied the subject of my work quite a bit. Every bit as complex as anyone could imagine--and far, far more so than the simple Shia-Sunni difference would lead the average person to believe. Israel, Syria and Iran are about the only ones I haven't been to directly.

In my line of work, it pays to know who and what you’re working with.

 

That is not abstract link, that is history. It's not expected that people in the US know European history and particularly German history, but you are very wrong. Read "The Third Reich", its been translated into English, it is the blueprint for merging socialism and fascism into a means that allowed the Nazi party to come to power.

The real name for the Nazi party is Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), or the National Socialist German Workers' Party. That name was no accident and was chosen by the party leaders specifically to show the merger of the Nationalist attitude with the socialist movement. What makes Nazism unique is that it is socialism tailored for a specific group - the German people, which is where "nationalism" and elitism comes in.

In practice, Nazism, fascism, and socialism all require, as you put it, "total subordination to the state by the populace". The terminology and justifications for various actions may differ, but the practical implementation of all is very similar.

 

Your murder rate is appaling, as you know, and as you also know, it has nothing to do with 'confronting despots'. You are the most cowed and servile population on earth. It is just that your frustrations lead you to murder one another to increase the gunsmiths' profits.

 

Glad to hear that. Compared to New York + other major US cities - I guess London is not bad at all. (wink)


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Your violent gun rate has "plunged " ? steady reductions in such crime ? HAHAHAHA - You're kidding m right ?

Sorry - I dont believe you. It sounds too much like fabricated stats from American Gun culture - the National Rifle Association (NRA) and the Gun Owners of America (GOA) - nutters .
They've got a lot to loose when gun sales drop.

HUH ? How do you think Tunisia-Egypt/Libya's revolutions have been successful ? THose high power firearms they didnt own - they smuggled or stole. How far do you think US Punlic will get with their little pisstools + shutguns - against US Govt Military high power firearms.

You better believe and not try posing a serious threat to your government - there'll undermine - suppress (CRUSH) any signs of insurrection - in enough time before it became "Large scale "

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Sometime in the future we'll all be thanking these three million for saving America and turning back the demons who thought they'd take over.

Read about some of these demons. It's no coincidence they're judeo-communists: http://www.israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIsrael/white-holocast.html

 

CHICKENSH-T AMERICANS stand idly by while the authorities do everything they did in communist Russia. To get on their good side, many are actually asking the police and soldiers if they can kiss their asses. Many of the same people who prance around saying, "Freedom isn't free." As if they'd ever have balls enough to make the ultimate sacrifice. They don't even know what a sacrifice is.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/hs_arrest_vet.htm#pa

 

Our murder rate has been cut in half since 1990...can your country say the same?

 

You can believe whatever you want. The reality is very easy to check out..

In 2010 we had 12996 murders in the USA

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...o-law-enforcement/expanded/expandhomicidemain

In 1990 we had 23,438...

http://www.ucrdatatool.gov/Search/Crime/State/RunCrimeStatebyState.cfm

In 1990 we had 1.8 million violent crimes. In 2009 we has 1.3 million violent crimes while we had an increase in population of 50 million and an increase in the number of guns in society of over 100million...

 

Smart aleck!

Never been to NYC or Chicago; not really too much beyond New Orleans, Mobile, Atlanta and the like.

Did enjoy Glasgow last year. Amazing to walk around in building that date back five hundred or more years.

But finding points we can agree on isn't the point of this board, is it?

 

It was incredibly lower anyway, and we are not yet locking up anything like the same proportion of our population for being poor. In the end you will have more people in prison than out, and it'll take you all the money the rich haven't already stolen. What'll you do then, poor things? I think you are a muddled folk.