The End is Nigh says 3 million americans .

Except it might sometimes make a break from the constant disagreements which are never resolved - arguments without end -


Duz'nt it ? (wink)


I cant's say I've ever "enjoyed " any of yr cities - but US National Parks - Bryce-Yosemitie-Zion National Parks - Grand Canyon, Monument valley etc, - are all weel worth a cross Atlantic flight.

The cities are best avoided + left to the Seps.

tatty-byeeee
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First of all yr FBI link says :

Indicate that firearm was not involved in 32 % Homicides
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I couldnt find a breakdown of crimes involving firearms or other weapons - in you UCR link.

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Reverting to your earlier claim abt the right of "self-defense " , Ehem - If you should ever find yourself in a position where you've killed an assailant/robber etc., its unlikely that it'll be as easy - plain sailing as you think , you' wont find it as easy as you think , You'll have to - employ an expensive lawyer to defend your case and prove that you killed the other guy in "self -defense "

good-luck
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It is a nice change of pace. Maybe the mods will let it slide! And, perhaps, remind us we all basically want the same thing, we're just at a difference of opinions as to how to get there.

That is one thing I won't argue. If you ever get the chance to go to Alaska, take it! The Kenai is a sight to behold. Cities are entertaining for a visit, rich in culture, but I've never seen one I would want to live in. Far, far too many people crammed together into one place for me.

And try crossing the Atlantic in a C-130. It will greatly increase your appreciation of the turbofan engine.

 

Ah yes, the lovely prison-industrial complex here in America. I remember when the Super Bowl was in Detroit a couple of years ago, the police "cleaned up" the streets by locking up the homeless, so the fancy rich people coming in from out of town didn't have to witness humanity at its lowest form.

 

Umm, no. Communists yes, but communists are largely Athiest, not Jewish. Fact checking isn't your thing, is it?

 

What is crazy is that elites/governments own nuclear weapons, and other wmd, and all the other military power in the world, and try to disarm 'their' citizens.
The end of the world is not near (that catastrofic impact was sixtysix million years ago), a super world elite is (slowly) going to cause the biggest depression ever caused, because they want control over the entire planet (need the power of the US people by causing chaos, politics and elections)
Fire arms, food, water and energy, local organisation and not vote are the best defence/protection for the people from a tyrannical elite/government.

 

I agree that realistic things are going to bring us down, but, who know, 12-21-12 could be real too.

 

As real as 12-22-12 and every other day of the year!

 

IDK I think come 12 21 12 the Mayans will be screwed...

 

... for about the past 500 years.

See their calendar is right.

 

Locking up the population of folk who commit crimes, even the poor, is a big reason why our crime rates have fallen so far. It is hard to be a repeat offender from jail.

We tried your solution most of the second half of the 20th century and saw our crime rates skyrocket. The left blamed guns, poverty, racism, etc yet when we began to actually punish repeat offenders, our crime rate dropped, fast. It appears to me your social experiment failed and ours works.

 

Last year firearms were used in a bit over 8000 homicides...We have a population of over 310,000,000 making the firearm homicide rate pretty small. As to your last point, that is true in a few states but most have 'Castle Doctrines' in which a victim is protected from prosecution in ones home, car, and often in any legal location. The laws also protect the victim from being sued by the perps family.

Idaho does not prosecute folk who use a firearm in self defense except under extraordinary circumstances.

As has long been said...it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

 

So, are you saying that one should ignore non-homicidal crimes , where the victims are merely injured and manage to survive ? And where guns are used to threaten -/ frighten victims of robberies and rape ?

Hmmmm.

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First hit - I picked this from wiki - which might not be uptodate. however :

" There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000. The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides, with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths.

Policies at the Federal, state, and local levels have attempted to address gun violence through a variety of methods, including restricting firearms purchasing by youths and other "at-risk" populations, setting waiting periods for firearm purchases, establishing gun "buy-back" programs, targeted law enforcement and policing strategies, stiff sentencing of gun law violators, education programs for parents and children, and community-outreach programs.

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Let's just end by agreeing that america has a gun culture which would'nr suit us here in Britain.

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Does'nt seem to stop them from re-offending upon release , or a new generation following in their foot steps , does it ?


Whatever you 're doing - its NOT working

More guns in public hands meant more guns got in the hands of criminals . also resulted in more guns used in domestice violence
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1,740 children in America have died from guns so far this year.
89 people killed with g.uns in America every single day.
Crime is large in the US it is a big problem partly because of the gun laws for example you can go into Asda Walmart and buy one over the counter. This is Americas biggest problem that needs to be tackled.

Shop robberies and street violence is also an enormous problem.

In America, the crime clock continues to click: one murder every 22 minutes, one rape every 5 minutes, a robbery every 49 seconds, and one burglary every 10 seconds.

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Bureau of Justice Statistics

Federal Stats Statistics of federal agencies published online: labor stats, EPA, crime, etc...

Law Enforcement and Crime

International Crime: Data National Criminal Justice Reference Service (OK not domestic, but would you have
found it below?)

NACJD National Archive of Criminal Justice Data

NCJRS National Criminal Justice Reference Service

Sourcebook for Criminal Justice Stats Compilation of Criminal Justice Data



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At incredible cost, of course. Better to send 'em all over to Eton, I should think. We haven't had a social experiment in years - we have just stopped people having guns so scarcely anyone gets shot any more. Easy-peasy.

 

That is a straw man...I did not make that argument. In fact, on this forum scores of times I have made the opposite argument. In the universe of violent crimes of all classes, crime has gone way down as gun control has been weakened and as the number of guns in society has increased and you can use the same FBI source to prove it or you can go to the Dept of Justice and look at their data files.

The argument I responded to concerned a false argument about homicide. I simply limitd myself to the scope of tghe crime being discussed.

 

You change the scope of the argument. If you want to make one about accidents or suicides then present it. I know you will find accidental gun injuries are also way down from a couple of decades ago and to try to make a suicide argument you need to compare our rate of suicide with the rest of the industrial world. While the tool of choice here is the gun in many cases, other nations with far higher suicide rates choose other methods. Dead is dead, the tool is not the cause.

Finally, if you want to see how all those 'methods' have effected 'gun violence' look up (and pay for) the National Academy of Sciences study, funded by the Clinton Administration and the Joyce Foundation, gun control advocates both. After spending 5 years in the largest study ever of the effect of gun control on crime, suicide and accidents, they found that not a single gun control measure had any positive effect on violent gun crime or accidents. They found only one measure, the instant check, had a tiny (within the margin of error) effect on suicide.

Now an honest person has to ask them-self...If gun control has no effect on gun violence at all and gun ownership is a fundamental constitutional right, why pass the laws?

The answer is simple...those laws let politicians pander to the uniformed and hysteric.

 

Actually it does...we have had a 22 year continuous drop in violent crime and other countries with weaker laws have not seen their crime rates drop or have only seen tiny drops.

If you were right, crime would have gone up or stayed the same.

 

That is not true...Your rate of gun crime is higher than it was before 1997.

Even the British Press knows better, despite the Home Office fudging the numbers year after year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...lling-gun-crime-undermined-by-new-report.html

 

Despite that you cannot compare the near-endemic incidence of shootings

in America, where gun crimes are so common they barely rate a mention in the media, with that of Britain.
Still, I guess two or three mass killings a year is a small price to pay for the 'freedom' to keep guns...

 

As badly as american culture and the intelligence of our politicians has declined, maybe the end is near.

 

Here is a new reason to prep

http://rt.com/news/paint-asteroid-earth-nasa-767/

A Tungusta event!

 

Yeah, that could be a real attention-getter and there's not a lot a government could really do about it--everything in the impact area will be flatttened if it impacts Earth. Of course, with a 25-minute return window, they have no idea where this thing could hit, so even a year's advance notice isn't going to help much. Closer to the time, of course, would yeild a more accurate impact area estimate, but less time to deal with it.

Guess it's time to dust off my telescope!

 

If a huge cosmic event like the above posts threatened the earth. The bright side to this, don't have to build shelters or stock the cupbaords with baked beans. As the impact and devastation would probably kill all life including bacteria.

 

You miss the point...our gun crimes, as well as all other violent crimes have been dropping big time for decades while your once crime free Europe is seeing big increases in the same crime...that the weapon of choice varies matters little to the victim.

If you want to reduce crime, you have to do things the western Europeans have not been doing for 50 years. Punish criminals, not victims.