The hate industry, Islam and Islamophobia

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  1. yasureoktoo

    yasureoktoo Banned

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    Obviously we are on different tracks.
    When I said compare, I meant similar.
    Those are 180 degrees different.
     
  2. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    They are basically identical except Islam doesn't believe in Jesus as a god but as a prophet and it doesn't believe in baptism (not too much water for that in the desert).
     
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    There is nothing identical about them
    I see you know nothing of at least one of those religions.
     
  4. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Re:
    Did you mean to say: "I don't know why we are trained to hate..."?
     
  5. yasureoktoo

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    Common sense says it is far more common in Islam for a couple of reasons
    It is documented and encouraged in the religious writings.
    separation of sexes encourages deviant behavior.
    Unlike a priest, an Iman can have you killed.
     
  6. Grau

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    Since Muslims, by virtue of their beliefs, are the embodiment of Islam, you still write as if you hate Muslims.
    At any rate, hate is unhealthy for those who bear it.

    Additionally, I don't have any favorite parts of the Talmud or for its racist & hate filled admonitions.
     
  7. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    • They both believe in one God, prophets, angels, demons, resurrections, heaven (paradise), hell, Judgment Day, their holy book, sin, prayer, and a Jew and the Devil. They think that Jerusalem is special. They both want everyone in the world to follow their beliefs and rules. The Catholics have their Pope, cardinals, bishops and priests. The muslims want to have one caliph. They have their ayatollahs, clerics, imams.
     
  8. yasureoktoo

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    LLOLL

    Like most monotheistic religions.

    However
    what can send you to hell in Christianity.
    Can send you to heaven in Islam.

    Islam encouraged the robbery, enslavement, and murder of non believers.
    Islam encourages the taking of a pre-pubersent girl as a wife.
    Islam encourages the non-believer to pay protection tax to be allowed to live.
    Islam encourages the non-believer as a second class citizen.

    Muhammed was a murderer, thief, slave trader, sexual pervert, and a slew of other adjectives.
    Jesus was none of these..

    You have in the messenger a beautiful pattern of conduct to follow. (Qur;an)

    Islam encourages you to emulate muhammed.
     
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    Anyone with any common sense, who reads the Islamic religion will hate it.
    Unless of course you are a psychopath.
     
  10. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    Maybe you should review biblical Christian doctrine.

    And most, if not all, of our early Presidents and politicians were on a par with Mohammed.

    The Jesus character was a bigot who thought it was a great idea to physically cut off body parts so that you wouldn't go to hell.
     
  11. yasureoktoo

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    Grasping for excuses I see.

    Face it,

    You cannot compare the two religions as equal.

    It's obvious you know nothing of at least one of them.

    And the only person in history I can think of, on par with Muhammed was Hitler
     
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    Y.
     
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    Organized religion is stupid and ineffective

    One only need looked at the pedophilia that's been happening in the Catholic church for centuries

    I don't think that llamas mind having sex with humans

     
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    Using your same logic, any non Jew with common sense who reads the Talmud would hate Judaism.

    If Islam was such a malevolent religion, why was I able to spend 10 - 11 months walking & hitch-hiking by myself in the Islamic Mid East among the adherents of Islam and only experience generous hospitality & kindness from the hundreds of Muslims with whom I had daily contact?
    My Muslim hosts & their friends insisted on treating me to refreshments, meals, and a roof over my head the whole time I was in the Islamic Middle East.
    The innumerable Muslims with whom I spent my days were extremely interested in & fond of America, American cars, movies, music etc.
    However, the 2 questions I was most frequently asked were:
    1. "Why do Americans suddenly hate us?"
    2. "Why does America help the Israelis kill the Palestinians & steal their land?"

    I tried to explain the toxic influence of of America's pro Israel(1) - anti Islamic(2) MSM & Hollywood propagandists & the parasitic stranglehold of America's 52 influential Zionist lobbies but the Muslims still couldn't believe that those clever Americans could be so easily manipulated & duped as you have been.

    How does anyone with "common sense" come to hate people they've never met in countries they've never seen?


    (1) “U.S. media coverage reveals a pro-Israel bias”
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/09/01/commentary/world-commentary/u-s-media-coverage-reveals-a-pro-israel-bias/#.WMLm5mafK_U

    EXCERPT “Why does TV news look like a Netanyahu ad?” asked Chris McGreal of The Guardian on July 31, in his article on the “notoriously pro-Israel mainstream media in the U.S.”

    In fact, three main dailies here from mid-July to mid-August easily gave the impression that U.S. President Barack Obama, not Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, was prosecuting a war against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. The U.S. State Department continues to list the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) as a terrorist organization.

    Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal dispelled any doubt about which side it was on. On Aug. 2-3, its Review section gave a two-page spread — “In Defense of Zionism” — against an oversize photo of a flag-raising ceremony in Israel, in 1948.”CONTINUED


    (2) "Study: Anti-Islam Messages Dominate Media Coverage"
    https://thinkprogress.org/study-ant...e-media-coverage-276a6e651758?gi=70ff4942f4aa
     
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    You are confusing Muslims, with Islam.
     
  16. Swensson

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    I know, that's what I've been explicitly saying for two posts and asked you to clarify.
    They have plenty of similarities. If you asked me to compare Islam and oranges, I might struggle, but Christianity and Islam have plenty of the same structure, so it is often clear what aspect of one can be compared to what aspect of the other.
     
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    Yes, they pray to a god.

    Get serious.

    However
    what can send you to hell in Christianity.
    Can send you to heaven in Islam.

    Islam encouraged the robbery, enslavement, and murder of non believers.
    Islam encourages the taking of a pre-pubersent girl as a wife.
    Islam encourages the non-believer to pay protection tax to be allowed to live.
    Islam encourages the non-believer as a second class citizen.

    Muhammed was a murderer, thief, slave trader, sexual pervert, and a slew of other adjectives.
    Jesus was none of these..

    You have in the messenger a beautiful pattern of conduct to follow. (Qur;an)

    Islam encourages you to emulate muhammed.
     
  18. Swensson

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    You... don't seem to know what a comparison is. A comparison is not an assertion that two things are the same, it is a list/report/similar of similarities and differences.
     
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    Your hatred of Muslims - Islam and desperate need to slander all Muslims has even impaired your grasp of history.

    The ironic truth is that Jews were more prominent in Hitler's military to the point that 150,000 Jews served in Germany's WW2 Military with the full knowledge and approval of Germany's High Command.

    Numerous Jews earned Germany's highest honors and rose to the highest ranks of Admiral or General. (1), (2)

    It was not at all unusual for people of virtually all ethnic group or nationality to serve in Germany's WW2 military as about 2 million non Germans fought for Germany including the "Free Arabian Legion" which numbered only 20,000 men(3)

    Finally, I am unaware of any special interest Hitler took in the alleged mesmerizing properties of Islam.
    Please cite a credible source for this unusual historical curiosity.



    (1) "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers"
    https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700613587


    EXCERPT "Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought-perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals."CONTINUED


    (2) "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?"
    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102

    EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis.

    The important thing to realize is that had the Nazis been as racist as most historians have argued, then they could not possibly have garnered the immeasurable level of support that they did. Even after Stalingrad; Spaniards, Slavs, Franks, and tens of- thousands of other non-Germans continued to fight for the Nazis on a volunteer basis. Frenchmen and Arab volunteers gave their lives in the final fight for the capital of Berlin in 1945. Hitler continued to allow thousands of Jewish men to serve, and many did so with incredible tenacity and valor. One has to call into question whether all of these Jewish men and other non-Germans were really as opposed to the Nazi regime as they have claimed after the fact. Their tenacity and determination suggests otherwise in many cases. The Jewish soldiers Bernhard Rogge, Helmuth Wilberg, Erhard Milch, and Ernst Prager come to mind."CONTINUED


    (3) "Free Arabian Legion"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Arabian_Legion
     
  20. Mr_Truth

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    right wing professing Christians are history's greatest murderers - Queen Victoria, King Leopold, Hitler, Stalin, Bush ~ all alike
     
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    Not a single Christian there. Hitler eliminated Catholics in thousands. Let’s not even start with Stalin.
     
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    correction - all of those claimed to be Christian

    go read a few history books and see for yourself
     
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    In the early part of WWII, up to 150, 000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht. Most of these were “Mischlinge” which meant that they were either 1/2 Jewish, or had at least one Jewish grandparent, according to the Nuremberg Race Laws of 1935. Most of these soldiers served with Hitler's explicit consent. Not every soldier was a Nazi, and not every Jew was persecuted, although in many cases, life for a Mischlinge was difficult. It is estimated that approximately 60,000 soldiers with one Jewish parent and 90,000 with a Jewish grandparent were enlisted in the Wehrmacht, the regular army.

    However, on returning home from the campaign in Poland at the start of the war, many of these soldiers found persecution of their families worsening, and many soldiers classified as half-Jewish started to complain, prompting Hitler to order their dismissal in 1940.
     
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    If you were to read history books you would know position of Catholic Church under Hitler for example. This has nothing to do with this topic.

    My simple answer is only if they chose to. Otherwise, NO.
     
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    Had you done your homework here you would know I have addressed that matter several times and posted numerous links which proved Hitler's alliance with the German Catholic hierarchy.
     

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