The ineffectiveness of Ron Paul

LOL. Your whole ron paul religious cult thing really makes me laugh. How can anyone take you serious when YOU are the one that sounds like a conspiracy nut living out on some farm somewhere. If you provided calm, concise, and realistic proof and opinions you would undoubtedly get some attention. Right now all you do is insult and attack. And that gets a discussion less than nowhere. It backtracks the issue and causes an even GREATER divide in America. Just because someone disagrees with your (incorrect) opinions, doesn't mean they are a cult. Grow up.

 

No, I'm saying I want a leader that accomplishes what he professes to believe.

Not someone adept at doing a snow job on naive youths. The people Paul is running against DO have positive accomplishments. Paul does not. Paulobots refuse to believe that because they're happy in idealistic unreality.

FYI Paul got beat AGAIN tonite. He picked up 3 delegates as did Santorum, but Romney won Washington State.

Paul is now 0 for 12. But he will not go 0 for 50. He will drop out before that as he always has before. If you enjoy backing a quitter, you should be overjoyed.

 

I'll wait until some more delegates ACTUALLY get picked before I make that judgement. I don't even think Iowa caucus is completely done picking delegates yet. You rely too much on straw polls. And we will see how he does on Tuesday...

 

At least he is the only one who tries to do what he professes to believe. All the other candidates lie and flip-flop.

 

Ron Paul is a leading Republican candidate for president. Who do you think he means when he says "Fed" / "IMF" / "World Bank" / "money monopoly" etc

 

The people destroying our country? If by some really crazy coincidence every single person on every single one of those groups happens to be Jewish, then so be it. But I highly doubt that is the case.

 

The reason the candidates lie and flip flop is becuase the American People themselves are flip floppers and practice situational ethics. Give an American a half decent job and he'll be a raving conservative screaming about taxation.

Take his job away from him and he'll be an ardent progressive angry at rich people and ready to engage in class warfare.

That is the facts of life in America.

There are no longer in our society any hard core ethical principles like Ron Paul believes.. only situational ethics and realpolitik.

Like it or not, whether the mainstream destroyed America in the opinion of libertarians or not is irrelevant..the mainstream "center" rules America and if we go down..you are going down with the rest of us.

 

That is your massively misguided opinion. Not even close to being factual. Asinine statements like that, obviously false, are probably why the general public does not support Paul. They try to avoid radical wingnuts from any perspective.

 

I think the MAJORITY of people do not "flip-flop". Their ideas may evolve, as mine have, until they finally reach a point where they are sure in what they believe in, but most people do not just flip-flop at the levels of the leaders. No. And it doesn't matter. You should still stand by your beliefs and not just lie to gain power.

 

but if you want a serious answer to your question, the reason that Ron Paul is ineffective, which is also the reason that the Republican party tolerates him, is that he comes across as too old, frail and weak to be elected president.

On top of that, he quickly disqualifies himself (perhaps intentionally) by saying something that is very pie in the sky and theoretical--good for a knowing nod and a smile from the faithful, but just, never gonna happen.

So, even though Ron Paul is the sole remaining white Protestant Christian in the Republican field, it is a foregone conclusion that Ron Paul will not win. Whereas, if Rick Perry were still in, dumb as he is, he would be considered a "potent threat" and a "real danger" in every analysis.

Ron Paul simply does not have enough of the alpha-dog animal magnetism, cojones, wavy dark hair, chest muscles, sausage, etc, that are AN ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT to being elected to the Presidency of the United States, or even nominated by a major party, in 2012. (obviously the requirements are different for women, but we still haven't crossed that threshold.)

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gosh, if you could only say what you think in public, how good would that be?

 

and that is YOUR massively misguided opinion. He has alot of support. Even if you don't like him, to say "the general public" or the "vast majority" of people don't like paul is just ignorant. Or perhaps you just prefer to lie. You don't have to make up stuff because you don't like him, just your personal opinion will do. I can respect your decision to not like him, but you can't just make stuff up. He has alot of support, and he has OVERWHELMING support from those who are 18-30. And if you can't guess I'll explain it: 18-30 year olds are the country's future and a representation of where we are headed. Thank God I know that even if he doesn't win I can feel safe we are headed in the right direction.

 

You have been proven wrong on this by FACT. You are too ignorant to accept it.

Really? Tell me how did alcohol prohibition turn out? It'sa a guarantee by doing so it would CRIPPLE the cartels

It would NOT cripple the economy. We have made his policy clear that he WILL protect this country and strengthen the economy in the process. Once again, ignorance to accept the facts

Once again...confusing passion for craziness. Go debate this in the conspiracy thread.

 

Do you understand how the government works?? As in Congress proposes bills, votes on them and sends them to the president to put in as law? It's not ONE person in congress that votes on all the bills congress comes up with...it's congress as a whole...

 

Seriously??? Did you just say that none of the other candidates have lied or been consistent in changing their stances? Wow...have you not been paying attention to politics the past 20-30+ years??

 

And this is why America is slowly crumbling apart...

 

What good things have these other politicians accomplished?
What other politicians actually stand by their own professed ideology's?

Ron Paul doesn't change his view for victory, i wouldn't call his loss a failure on his part rather a failure of the public and our representatives in recognizing the flaw in repeating policy that obviously is destroying our economy.

 

I'm not sure what Ron Paul's abortion leanings are.. they are irrelevant to me anyway.

First off.. this isn't the 1920's-30's.. secondly.. Alcohol is "special" becuase it has been a part of our culture for thousands of years and has been deemed as acceptable from the beginning. Coke and Heroin are not (*)(*)(*)(*)ing cultural icons or important to our culture in any way, shape or form, except to the addicts.

The "black market will go away" is a fallacy. The black market will still exist, unless you intend to make it legal for those under 18 to do drugs too.

We see the "medical marijuana" scam in California in full bloom. With marijuana as easily accessible to teenagers as tobacco.

Bull (*)(*)(*)(*). He was *this close* to voting against the attack on Afghanistan after 9/11 until his staffers threatened to resign if he did becuase they assured him that he would never be reelected if he didn't vote for the attack.

Even the wrong can be passionate about it, but that doesn't make them right.

 

I like Ron Paul because he has made people think about politics. The good old days were not bad for most people despite all of the bad things we hear about them. But Paul is reaching so far into the past that he is not able to cope with the new political reality. He will never be president and that is most likely for the best. He would certainly be ineffective and chances are he would have to betray his conscience almost as soon as he was elected. I would not wish that for him or his supporters. I am sure this thread will get a lot of post from people who love and believe in him, I hope they can accept his unavoidable defeat.

 

Do you even know what the drug war is all about??

Yeah...this has already been proven false. It was conceived by a former campaign staff manager that was fired. No other staffer has EVER come forward as this being true...

Being wrong doesn't make someone "crazy"....

 

Are you stupid? Let me point out some basic facts:

The growing and consumption of drugs is almost as old as alcohol. Essentially alcohol IS a drug. Some of our forefathers even grew hemp and enjoyed many drugs.

If drugs were decriminalized then most of the black market would go away. The only thing you would have left is sale to minors, JUST LIKE ALCOHOL. And that is minute compared to the current black market. Plus, consider how much revenue we could generate to stabilize our country and our economy?

MARIJUANA is more accessible to minors than ALCOHOL. Still think prohibition works?

 

"Criticizing Ron Paul for not passing bills in Congress is like criticizing a nun in a whore house for not turning tricks. He was there to stop the "whoring," not become one!" ~ Blake Buffington

 

That is an outright lie.

 

If Ron Paul people hate our Government and are so convinced that everyone in it except Ron Paul is corrupt, then **** and go start your own libertarian (*)(*)(*)(*) hole.

 

http://blog.norml.org/2009/08/28/study-says-its-easier-for-teens-to-buy-marijuana-than-beer/

This blog links to this study:
http://www.casacolumbia.org/articlefiles/380-2009 Teen Survey Report.pdf

The blog is a good summary to prove you wrong, however feel free to read the study for a more in depth. It is easier for a minor to access marijuana than alcohol.

ALSO:
http://www.changetheclimate.org/campaigns/08_03_dc/kids.php

Kind of explains some reasoning behind it, but I believe it is mostly opinion so you will surely not even consider it (even though its interesting nonetheless)