The jig is up for Trump: Special Master has asked declassification details

You misspoke, not "produces", "creates".

 

This is another example of how the rich and powerful get away with everything. Any Joe off the street would already be in jail.

 

Good! Please put him in jail already.
It’s a win for both side
The left can have its new porn by seeing trump in a prison jump suit and the right won’t have anyone mucking up desantis’s presidential run

 

What a bunch of bs!
They don't want to reveal "truth" so that they can use the "truth" to slap them around in court.
Is the oxygen level of the US dropping?
LOL!

 

You mean like how you all are defending the FBI for producing exactly zero evidence other than pictures they claim are of documents they found in order to “preserve their investigation”? You mean like the DOJ appealing a decision to allow an “independent” party review the materials they claim they found?

 

What do those things have to do with what I stated?
The Trump defenders would do themselves a service to cut and run now, as every day it is looking more and more like Trump is in the wrong, and the attempts to defend the indefensible look more and more foolish.\
Are you saying that the FBI didn't really find anything and are faking it? Oh, that sounds like a winner!

 

The current status of classification of documents is not part of the adversarial system. It’s part of the day to day operation of the federal government.

Why is he being coy about what is classified and what isn’t? That is something that requires absolute clarity and certainty.

 

We shall find out later today what is going to happen with regard to the 11th circuit and with Dearie.

 

Not sure wtf the poster means by an adversarial system.

 

you really should know this .........

Adversarial system - Wikipedia

The adversarial system or adversary system is a legal system used in the common law countries where two advocates represent their parties' case or position before an impartial person or group of people, usually a judge or jury, who attempt to determine the truth and pass judgment accordingly.[1][2][3] It is in contrast to the inquisitorial system used in some civil law systems (i.e. those deriving from Roman law or the Napoleonic code) where a judge investigates the case.

 

They collected several boxes of evidence. Hence why we are here.

 

Thank you.

 

But it does have PR value, which is what Trump wants to begin with.

 

Actually, for the charges that Trump is currently facing, it does not matter whether the documents are classified or not. Second, if they do make that argument, it opens the door for the DOJ to show that they were not declassified, which will pull any promise of "executive privilege" for Trump to attempt to use after the fact. The other thing is Judge Dearie is making this all public, something Trump does not want at all. So, if he is caught lying, the whole world will know it because we will be inundated with clips showing just how much Trump lied about declassifying the documents. And Trump does not want that either.

 

It's not the pictures only. It's the pictures and the detailed list of the documents from the property receipt, which have been accepted by the Court as accurate in their descriptions, type of documents, etc.

 

Actually, Trump named Dearie because of his association with the FISA warrants, Trump thought Dearie was on his side. He isn't. If the law is on your side, he's there. But, Trump thought that meant he was on 'his' side. No, he's confusing the fact that the law was once on his side, but that was Dearie being on the side of the law, NOT on the side of 'Trump' and Trump can't tell the difference. Here, the law is not on Trump's side and naturally, Dearie will be on the side of the law.

 

Yeah, I had the same thought about that, as well, that Dearie is making a smart 'chess move', in making it public. I think He knows what Trump is up to, it's only the delay, nothing more, and wants to expose Trump for the creton he really is.

 

Are we discussing the same FBI who paid an informant for information that they KNEW was not true and CONTINUED paying him even after they knew it wasn’t true and then used that falsified information to get an unconstitutional surveillance on the SAME person they’re claiming to have dirt on now? That FBI? The same FBI who is currently fighting tooth and nail to stop an independent review of the materials they seized?

Yea that’s exactly what I’m saying they’re doing.

 

A detailed list which contains a bunch of documents they claim they found which they also claim they can’t tell us what they are because they’re classified.

Funny they also claim that a special master shouldn’t be allowed to see them either.

 

As I understand it, Trump to be disqualified from running for future office, there will have to be a congressional resolution under the provision of Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment and majority vote in the house and the Senate. If repubs win the midterms, that isn't likely, unless, of course, Repubs want him out. For them to do that, they would have to admit that he did, indeed, aid and abet an insurrection. However, if he did, then so did a few others in congress and the senate, and therein lies the problem. I doubt they will ever do it, plus the fact that Trump still wields power over the 'base'.

No, the more I think about it, the more I realize he won't be able to be disqualified from running for office.

But, it could work like this:

1. He's convicted, incarcerated.

2. He runs and wins.

3. The cabinet and the Veep do the 25th amendment because, in jail, he has been incapacitated. (However, his DOJ could just 'temporarily' exclude him from incarceration until after his term).

Since cabinet members term's are temporary, they don't have to answer to the base, but the Veep, does, so it will depend on who the Veep is.

I dunno. It's complicated because of the complex dynamics, plus the added enigma that America has never experienced this, we are in a whole new territory with Trump, and Trump, via his base, wields tremendous power. More than any person in history. America has never had the problem of the demagogue. Trump is, indeed, what one might otherwise call, a 'monster'.

The question then, becomes, how do we get rid of a monster?

The law is so ill equipped to deal with such a creature. Unfortunately, the founding fathers just assumed politicians would always act in good faith.

Monsters do not do that.

Monsters always do what monsters love to do:

Spread chaos.

Putin is smiling, on that, you can rest assured.

 

Nevermind the fact that your narrative isn't accurate and has now become a tired right wing trope......

There are over 30,000 hard working dedicated patriots in the FBI's ranks.

You can't indict all of them for the transgressions of a handful of people, all of whom no longer work for the FBI.

Sorry, that argument is a dead horse, and sure as hell will not hold up in any court of law, unless, of course, the judge is a Trump toady. Well, I'm pretty sure Dearie isn't, though Cannon is.

 

Dearie is the same one who ultimately and finally signed off on the unconstitutional wire tap from the false information he was fed from the FBI.

He has an especially thorough understanding of the corruption in the FBI given as how he was embarrassed by them last time. And from the few accounts we have was not very happy about it.

I don’t know that it will matter but we shall see.

 

trump will get a deal like epstein had in florida. "work release," for which trump wil claim is a 24/7 job.

trump needs a deal like epstein got in that new york jail ........

 

I don't think it was a "mistake". Just a delay tactic that didn't work. It's all about delay delay delay.... And, I must say, I fear the DoJ might fall for it. If they are going to prosecute, they need to do it right away. No later than this month in my opinion. If they wait till next, you'll know they'll claim it's an "October surprise".

 

I got $100 says if you and trump walked into a room with no windows or cameras you wouldn’t be the one walking out lol