The jig is up. Mueller Expands Probe to Trump Business Transactions

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  1. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    what a joke, take your own advice and pay attention what comey actually said:

    "We have no basis to conclude that she lied to the FBI."

    “We found no evidence that any of the additional work-related e-mails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them.”

    “We did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked.”

    “In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts.”

    ~ James Comey



     
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    I don't know what you are talking about, try again.

    What's the crime and what is the probable cause?
     
  3. Derideo_Te

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  4. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    We the People will prevail irrespective of the color of our skins, our creeds or our sexual orientations because that is what the Founding Fathers wanted for all of us.

    May we both live long enough to see this come to pass, my friend!
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    The police and military have sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution. That includes the clause about impeachment for high crimes. If the extremist alt right wants to violate the Law of the Land they will be doing it entirely on their own and will have to deal with the consequences.

    The last time I was aware of the actions you are advocating coming to pass it took a single black police officer firing a couple of shots to bring it to an ignominious ending for those who wanted to impose white supremacy.
     
  6. Lucifer

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    YES!!! It most certainly does when he does not disclose completely those transactions, or divests himself of those interests. The American people need to have a basis of legitimate confidence in the POTUS that he will place the interests of the United States foremost, and not be susceptible to having his authority leveraged against some questionable dealings from his past. Trump could have completely avoided all of this at any point along the way by being transparent. His refusal to divulge his tax returns was the first indication that there was something to hide, and his continued refusal along with the actions he has taken is suspicious to all but the die hard faithful Trumpee. Faith alone is not going to make the rest of us feel safer with Trump at the helm.


    This is truly the most pathetic counter-argument I've ever read from any Trumpee. And to use the word "honesty" in the same sentence if hypocrisy with a capital H.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No doubt, no doubt... so long as we're not illegal aliens.
     
  8. garyd

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    Again absence of proof on your part proves nothing.
     
  9. Lesh

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    So I guess we'll have to wait for the investigation to conclude...if it's allowed to continue.

    Trump seems intent on stopping it
     
  10. SillyAmerican

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    You fail to mention the actual evidence of wrongdoing presented by Director Comey. But no worries, I'll tell you what those problematic statements are, in Director Comey's own words (with the emboldening being mine):

    Secretary Clinton used several different servers and administrators of those servers during her 4 years at the state department.

    From the group of 30000 emails returned to the State Department in 2014, 110 emails in 52 email chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. 8 of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent. 36 of those chains contained Secret information at the time, and 8 contained Confidential information at the time. That's the lowest level of classification.

    Separate from those, about 2000 additional emails were up-classified to make them Confidential. Those emails had not been classified at the time that they were sent or received.

    The FBI also discovered several thousand work related emails that were not among the group of 30000 emails returned by Secretary Clinton to State in 2014.

    With respect to the thousands of emails we found that were not among those produced to the State Department, agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received: one at the Secret level, and two at the Confidential level.

    Because she was not using a government account or even a commercial account like gmail, there was no archiving at all of her emails.

    It's also likely that there are other work related emails that they [Clinton's lawyers] did not produce to State, and that we did not find elsewhere and that are now gone, because they deleted all emails they did not produce to State and the lawyers then cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery.

    Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information. For example, seven email chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret, Special Access Program at the time they were sent or received. Those chains involve Secretary Clinton both sending emails about those matters and receiving emails about those same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton's position or in the position of those with whom she was corresponding about those matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation.

    None of these emails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these emails were housed on unclassified, personal servers not even supported by full time security staff like those found at agencies and departments of the United States government, or even with a commecial service email service like gmail.

    Only a very small number of the emails here containing classified information bore markings that indicated the presence of classified information. But even if information is not marked classified in an email, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.

    We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial email accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton's use of a personal email domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal email extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work related emails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton's personal email account.


    If you wish the statutes that Secretary Clinton appears to be in violation of, I'd be happy to post those.
     
  11. SillyAmerican

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    The government has access to President Trump's tax returns.

    Are you saying that you believe #1 should read Open an investigation, stack the investigative team with supporters of the opposing candidate, and try to figure out what charges can be made to stick? Or are you saying I've misrepresented what Mueller has done?
     
  12. Lucifer

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    Alt-right people have this inherent myth the "gubmint" is this all encompassing Big Brother. It's hundreds of agencies who each work on their own objectives. In order for the DOJ to gain access to an IRS record, there is an established protocol. One doesn't just type some secret password into a computer to access everything.


    Once again, you're exposing another one of the inherent beliefs of Alt-right thinking, that all government employees pledge an allegiance to their political party. No, they DO NOT.
     
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    Ironic!
     
  14. SillyAmerican

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    Of course there's an established protocol. What did I say that would make you believe otherwise? What I said was true: the government has access to President Trump's tax returns.

    So you believe the people who donated money to the Clinton campaign are interested in assuming Trump innocent at this point? That's funny. You should take that on the road; people pay good money to have a good laugh...
     
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    Speculation is not fact. We have lots of the former and damn little of the latter. You make it seems a hundred post a day. a few of which I bother to counter, you have no more information than I. and most of the information you have is false, which doesn't seem to have any impact whatever upon your willingness to speculate based upon it.
     
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    I take it you missed the part where he also said he doubted that such evidence would exist even if it were successfully hacked.
     
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    The Trump Taj Mahal was fined $10 million is NOT speculation!

    Little Donny jr's meeting with the Russians is NOT speculation!

    The Russians hacking the voting roles is NOT speculation!

    Kushner and Flynn meeting with Kislyak to set up an illegal communications channel is NOT speculation!

    The BLOTUS wants to pardon himself and his criminal clan is NOT speculation!

    The BLOTUS has a $300 million loan with the bank charged with Russian money laundering!

    All of the above is documented fact. That you cannot refute any of the facts is not my problem. Instead you resort to ad homs which says volumes about your desperation.
     
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    No but your assumption that money laundering was occuring is.
    No but your assumption that something illegal was going on is.
    Again got proof that they altered voter roles?
    Everyone in Washington has met with Kislyak it's part and parcel Kislyak's job discription to meet with the movers and shakers.his job. Kislyak was called home because he can no longer effectively do that job.
    The criminal part is speculation.
    And How many people have loans with Wells fargo which just got hit with the biggest fine in history for violation of money laundering rules.
     
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    No but your assumption that money laundering was occuring is.It needs to be investigated. How else would we know?
    No but your assumption that something illegal was going on is.It was illegal under several statutes. All of which have been pointed out and ignored by you numerous times
    Again got proof that they altered voter roles? The HACKED the voter registration database in 34 states...130,000 times in South Carolina alone on election day. That deserves an investigation
    Everyone in Washington has met with Kislyak it's part and parcel Kislyak's job discription to meet with the movers and shakers.his job. Kislyak was called home because he can no longer effectively do that job.Meeting w/ Kislyak is one thing. Trying to set up a private communication network IN the Russian Embassy with the Kremlin that we can't monitor is something completely different. That was SO over the top that not even the Russians would go along with it
    The criminal part is speculation.
    And How many people have loans with Wells fargo which just got hit with the biggest fine in history for violation of money laundering rules.Wells Fargo is not Russia.

    Any other lame excuses you feel the nee to make?
     
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    This is a jaw-droppingly stupid thing to say. Let me get this right. Trump is a gangster who will be shown to be a money launderer (and god only knows what else); but this doesn't count against his character or ability to do his job with incorrupt integrity because it may have happened 10 years ago? The statute of limitations provides that you cannot be prosecuted for crimes committed several years in the past. It does not erase character flaws of corruption and criminality.

    For the sake of not having to admit you were naïve and silly for voting for Trump, you would rather turn a blind eye while this sexist, lying, bumbling, corrupt, money laundering fool be allowed to obstruct justice, commit treason, sell off America to Russian oligarchs, turn America into a oligarchy ruled by a totalitarian dictator, pass laws that benefit no one but his billionaire buddies, insult leaders of other western countries, turn America into the laughing stock of the West, commit blatant nepotism, use the presidency to enrich himself and his family and friends, lie his hypocritical ass off to his constituents, as in: "Made in America" while his own overrated brands are still being made overseas, and the list goes on.

    What is wrong with people these days? Has America become so corrupt that this kind of behavior is now seen as legitimate as long as it happened past the statute of limitations? One of the hallmarks of third-world hell holes is a corrupt government. You know that Trump supporters. Bite the bullet and admit you were wrong. Wake up and forget your pride because it "cometh before destruction".




    "Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18

    And this is for Trump who looked like a complete idiot with all the hands of the most high and mighty religious leaders in the country on him:
    "For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself." Galatians 6:3



    not a religious person (and neither is he no matter how many hands the fundamentalists lay on) but if anyone to date has fit the description of The Great Deceiver it is Trump.
     
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    But, he TRIGGERS the libs, so all well. And, he will destroy the libs and ruin voting so they never get power again. And we will just say he is crazy or new to the job if he freaks out.
     
  22. dujac

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    i've seen the hearing numerous times

    comey said there's no evidence that hillary was hacked

    here's trump asking russia to hack her



     
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    The left is too ignorant to know a joke when they see it.
     

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