the minimum wage: reality check

Another excuse.

 

Excuse me? Parenting is an excuse? Wow. No wonder we're so effed up.

 

Minimum wage hikes cut crime for the same reason giving criminals stolen goods reduces crime - they no longer have to steal because someone else has done so for them - in this case the state.

 

You are either completely ignorant or being disingenuous. Working is not a matter of filling in hours during a day. It is balancing a schedule that makes your household work. I hope your are being compensated fairly for your work as a corporate shill. I'm sure the 1% appreciate people of lower status like yourself who make arguments and excuses for them.

 

Wife? Kids?

Excuses

 

You claim it's a good point...

I say it's BS

 

IF what you claim is true (and it's the internet you can say anything you want) that is certainly not the norm. Expecting people to work THAT hard...and hold family relationships together is just ridiculous.

Remember...we're talking about the majority of people...not the type As

 

Out of one side of their mouths, they're complaining about poor parenting. Out of the other side, they're claiming parenting is an excuse. Flippin idiots.

 

They just don't have a clue. Many of those guys, though they won't tell you, went to a college like mine that was paid for by their parents and landed a great job right out of the gate. Everything went smooth, and they give themselves credit for that, instead of acknowledging the role of luck. Unfortunately, it is pretty much universal among humans, and very few people can genuinely put themselves in another's shoes. You know, a really good leader would be someone who had actually started from nothing, had real setbacks, and made it all the way--too bad that almost never happens. I recently got into the habit of looking up every famous person, in any given field, and checking out the reported background. About 99% of them came from VERY good families and never had any real setbacks. It's eye-opening.

 

Agreed. I can think of two people, though, who worked their way up from nothing to the WH. Abraham Lincoln and Bill Clinton.

 

Bill Clinton was raised by his mother and a stepdad, who owned a car dealership. Yes, he certainly had to work harder than most of these clowns who start off with political connections from birth, but let's not pretend he wasn't very well-off. As for Abe, the country was a different place, and people could do that more easily than they can now. Of course, those men were incredible, but this is an extraordinary thing not to be expected of everyone. If society was designed so that only people like that could do anything, there wouldn't be many people in the world lol.

It happens, but it is very rare. When it does happen, it is usually entertainers or athletes who genuinely come from modest means.

 

Nonsense given that it takes less than six months for that increase to filter through the system meaning that the new minimum very shortly buys no more than the last minimum wage did so there is no decrease in crime that can be shown. In fact it almost certainly increases because the number of available entry level jobs is reduced leading to idleness among the group most able to turn to crime, the young.

 

uh... I worked in a major hospital as a nursing assistant while I went to college. I did shift work and weekends while going to college, why can't you? Was it hard, you're damn right it was but I did it because I knew I wanted better pay. Now because I make better pay I'm forced to subsidize your Obamacare and pay higher taxes. I don't have a damn bit of sympathy for you, why should I? I'm so sick of people like you wanting everyone else to subsidize them because they don't want to put the effort in. Just stop the whining, .

 

Good for you. As I said before . . . You can do anything you WANT to do.

 

Sounds like you are recommending not working but staying home with your kids and accepting welfare. That should make the kids proud. As a kid I was always proud of how hard and long my dad worked. And when I did the same it set an example for my son who is now successful in his own right.

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Amen. Well stated.

 

To make a household work, first you need money. You can obtain it through hard work or you can ask the government to provide it for you. We each have the choice. Hard work not only provides money but it gives you dignity. Plus you are the "master of your fate" (you are 100% in control of how you live your life). When you receive handouts from the government you are no longer the master of your fate. I would rather argue for a corporation that provides a useful product, provides jobs, and supports the community than argue for the person who wants welfare or the government to provide for their livelihood.

 

I agree, We've become the people who argue for people who want to work or government taking money from hard working people who pay for people who want (feel entitled to) handouts.

 

If that's what it sounds like to you, then you're not paying attention.

 

And what was your pay rate at the time? Was it less than $15/hr? What year was that and how did that compare to the COLA? See, the OP said NOTHING about giving people free rides and such, but merely pointed out the reality of the mythology and fallacy of the standard right wing talking point against a minimum wage hike ON ANY LEVEL, let alone $15/hr.

Essentially you prove my point, your personal jealousy at the IDEA that somehow getting a decent wage live somehow is unfair to your trials and tribulations misses the point of the OP. And no, YOU DON'T SUBSIDIZE OBAMACARE. Please educate yourself on that, as I tire from doing others homework.

 

Please copy and paste EXACTLY the sentences from the OP that confirm your assertions. I'll wait.

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Punishment was NOT in the OP statements. That dismisses your entire screed.

 

Oh hell ya lol, it was minimum wage in the early 80's. I was a new CNA.

Yea, I get educated overtime I pay double the insurance policy that I used to pay before Obamacare and you expect me to have sympathy? Jealously, of what? People who thought they were going to live the good life on minimum wage? If you want a decent wage, improve your skills so you'll be offered higher wages. Or does that make so much sense that you can't comprehend.

Here's my right wing talking points. I'm tired of subsiding people who expect to live the good life on my dime.

 

What about the people for whom you've outlawed jobs?

 

I know it sounds harsh but seriously, I was a kid and knew I wouldn't be able to support myself on minimum wage much less support a family.

 

Why do economists say this and do all economists say this?

 

Get real. $15 an hour to put a pickle on a bun????????????????