The Muslim problem

Difference is that Neo-Nazis agree with violence being used to further their agenda, even if they themselves do not commit it. That is Not true of most Muslims.

 

Since you aren't Christian, I don't begrudge having to explain this to you. Christians don't ignore any part of the Bible because the Bible gives no standing orders to impose religious law like the Koran does. God's commandments, particularly the civil laws, applied to a particular people at a particular time with no hint that these mandates applied to all future governments everywhere. It's odd that you accuse Christians of cherry picking because the only ones that do that are non Christians such as yourself, trying to find some part of the Bible that lays scandal on the Christian church, while maintaining woeful ignorance of the canon as a whole and the message it conveys. Looking for Bible cherry pickers? Look in the mirror.

 

Really? You know this, how? How is this a difference if your only argument for Muslims being 'moderate' is that they usually don't commit violence?

Pray tell, what are the percentages of Muslims in the Muslim world in support of physically punishing apostates and blasphemers?

 

No he doesn't.

 

From First hand experience, the best source of information there is.

 

You mean anecdotes?

Perhaps you missed this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/muslim-survey_n_3186144.html

 

Well, Im an atheist and there is no contradiction

 

Uh, maybe because a violent protest gets more media coverage than peaceful condemnation of these things?

Does someone from your religion have to do the EXACT same thing for the religion to have similar problems? Tell me when a Muslim firebombs an abortion clinic. Tell me when a Muslim plans to murder law enforcement agents in order to start a bloody revolution. Tell me when an Muslim murders an abortion doctor.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/11/AR2010121101527.html

American Christians are encouraging countries to criminalize homosexuality, which inspired the "Kill the Gays" bill of Uganda (which was downgraded to life in prison).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ntigay-conservative-evangelicals-9193593.html

So, since you didn't ask for evidence that they're killing people they accuse of being witches, I'll assume you agree with that statement.

It's really not clear at all.


Christian terrorist activities related to pro-life movement


Christian terrorist slaughters 70+ children because he hates Muslims
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4385726...rural-town-norway-attacker-seemed-city-loner/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/26/anders-breivik-christian-terrorist_n_910379.html

Christian Serbs in Bosnia committ genocide on Muslims, raping and murdering 200,000+ Muslims, murdering well over 3,500 children, and displacing 2,000,0000 other Muslims. http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/bosnia.htm
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/62/387.html
http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/ahm/the_churches_and_the_bosnian_war.htm

Abortion clinic bomb plot by Christians
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/04/28/us-texas-abortion-bomb-idUSN2719258620070428
http://theweek.com/article/index/207037/the-abortion-clinic-bomb-plot

ristian terrorist plots

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36075836/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Christian Identity activity (and others)
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/scm.asp?xpicked=4

Alaskan Sovereign Citizen miltia charged with conspiracy to committ kidnapping, murder, and arsony.

http://www.newsminer.com/view/full_...movement?instance=home_news_window_left_top_1

Many would say Islam does not condone that either. I can, however, find the passage in the Bible that does command honor killings.

 

Sunni extremists inflict 70% of terrorism deaths; responsible for 60% of terror attacks:

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/sunni-muslim-extremists-committed-70-terrorist-murders-2011

 

I just quoted him. Saying "no he doesn't' doesn't negate his words.

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And?

Christian Serbs in Bosnia committ genocide on Muslims, raping and murdering 200,000+ Muslims, murdering well over 3,500 children, and displacing 2,000,0000 other Muslims. http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/bosnia.htm
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/62/387.html
http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/ahm/the_churches_and_the_bosnian_war.htm

We can go back and forth like this all day. The fact is both religions have their share of violent and oppressive scum.

 

When I lived in Turkey, they were building a Mosque accross the street from my in-laws flats.

My now dear departed Dede (grandfather) in law once got so frustrated with the noise during construction he stood up on the balcony and threw an empty Johnnie Walker bottle at it. People are people no matter where you go.

The religious people who act like idiots (IMO) all share a common pathology.

1. They are social conservatives within thier respective societies
2. They believe in traditional roles for men and women
3. They tend to be rural and often xenophobic
4. They like long beards
5. They like guns
6. They hate liberals and gays
7. They're against abortion

Woah....wait....I just realized Phil Robertson is only one religious book, and a nervous breakdown away from snapping and starting a Christian terrorist organization.

 

I guess you don't realize how bizzare and ridiculous equating the issue of Islamists and the percieved passivity of their less fanatical muslim brethren with american political partisanship.

Of course along with muslims, there are too many christians who are tremendously ignorant and readily and unscrupulously controlled by their political master's selectivity of first century dogma and the resultant parochial peer pressure.

I appreciate the demonstration.

 

I seem to be missing your point.

Are you suggesting that when various cultures peacefully co-exist while adapting to a core set of values and political principles is a bad thing?


Are these erroneously identified non-whites not equally human?
Or is it just that you think yourself superior because of your accident of birth?

 

How many Christians

1. Fly planes into buildings hoping to kill as many civilians as possible?
2. Kill people and burn down embassies when somebody ridicules Jesus?
3. Impose religious law to govern all aspects of life and society?
4. Oppress women, depriving them of standing in court, the right to drive, vote, own land, or show their face, arms, and ankles in public?
5. Hang people for the "crime" of being homosexual?
6. Kill female relatives for becoming too "westernized"?
7. Blow themselves up hoping to kill as many civilians as they can in the process?
8. Dance in the street when they learn that thousands of people just died in a holy war attack?
9. Try to bring smuggle bombs onto planes in their underwear or shoes?
10. Do not respect the right to NOT be Christian?

Do you sincerely believe that Christians and Muslims are the same or are you just being a little silly?

 

Nope: by PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, having met more than my fair share of both groups. You know REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE, the best teacher there is.

 

That shows how fkd their priorities are then, doesn`t it.

 

So......

anecdotes.

 

I don't believe I said they were the same.

I said that like many muslims, many christians are controlled by EXACTLY THE SAME RELIGIOUSLY BASED SOCIAL CONTROL MECHANISMS.

Of course christians have no equivalent concept of jihad and their concept of martyrdom is substantively different.
No christian gets a free pass to paradise by dying in the name of their god, which might partially account for the outrageous demonstrations of mob behaviour over "insult" to Islam, Allah and the prophet, not to mention the penchant for murder/suicide.

 

Islam is part of multiculturalism, no?

Like the bad parts of Detroit. Its a warzone.

 

and that's without the theocracy, during the days of Christian run theocracies they were burning people alive for crimes like sodomy, doing magic tricks, or being Jewish...





“The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries” - James Madison

 

Oh, so is Santaria. Long stretch there buddy.

pardon me, but your ignorance is showing.

 

So the witch-burning, inquisitions, killing non-believers, launching holy wars, you're saying none of that was barbaric and your religion is totally innocent?

 

It doesn't matter if it explicitly says "impose religious law", if you decide to do so anyway it's a moot point - you're still doing it. Plus, if you believe the Bible to be the truth and spreading the message of God, and you supposedly believe all eh says, why would you ignore what he tells you?

Not being Christian in Medieval Europe was basically not an option - if you were Jewish or Muslim, you were second class citizen, if you were atheist or pagan you were killed. People who went against the Church were burned for heresy. Yes I know I know it's your religion therefore any attack I make on it is totally unfair and I should totally be only attacking Muslims because they are your age old enemies but you know what? It's helpful to remember you guys used to be as bad as they are. Luckily most of you grew out of it.

 

What people were burned for going against the Church? There's such an idiotic axiom that the Christian Church tortured and killed and ran a reign of terror. Though not entirely false, it's highly exaggerated. Martin Luther would be a prime candidate for the kind of treatment you claim befell enemies of the church. He started a heretical sect and wrote a butchered copy of the Bible without an imprimatur. He's one of the better known of a long list of heretics that DIDN'T face execution for defying the holy faith.

I'm not claiming my faith is perfect or that mistakes haven't been made, but even the Catholic Church's past (the real one, not the popular one) I'd gladly pit against the history of Islam for comparison. Past or present, there's just no comparison.

 

Martin Luther enjoyed supporters to protect him. But if one or two people speak against the majority opinion, they have nothing to stop everyone from burning them at the stake.