The New Climate Reality

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  1. notme

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    You're free to post other average annual global temperatures.
    So far you refused to go down that road, because it will show that you're not right.
     
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    Record cold in Antarctica.
    South Pole’s Winter Weather Record
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    The Antarctic interior recorded its coldest April-to-September this year since records began in 1957. According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre (NSIDC), the average temperature at the…
     
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    You sure its not the Lizard people with their death ray, warming the planet so they can take over?
     
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    H. Sterling Burnett, Ph.D. is managing editor of Environment & Climate News and a research fellow for environment and energy policy at The Heartland Institute.

    Badaboom, badabing.
     
  9. Jack Hays

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    Yes, and . . . ?
     
  10. Jack Hays

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    The Lancet, you may recall, published the letter to discredit the theory of COVID-19's lab origin, only to have the letter be exposed later as an exercise in conflict of interest, so I don't rate their journalism very highly.
     
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    The Lancet again making news.
     
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    Dr. Judith Curry remains a voice of calm sanity amid the hysterical climate hype.

    Challenges of the clean energy transition

    Posted on October 22, 2021 by curryja | 156 comments
    by Judith Curry

    This morning I participated Conference on Energy and Decarbonization – A New Jersey Business Perspective. https://njbia.regfox.com/energy-summit.

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    ". . . So what’s wrong with the crisis narrative? It is my assessment that

    • We’ve vastly oversimplified both the problem and its solutions
    • The complexity and uncertainty surrounding climate change is being kept away from the public and policy debates.
    • Rapid reductions in emissions are technologically and politically infeasible on a global scale, with adverse negative consequences.
    • And finally, the climate crisis narrative gets in the way of real solutions to our problems . . . "
     
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    Our planet has warmed and cooled since the big bang and it always will. There will always be people who believe the earth is flat, or hollow, and the climate change conspiracy, or the fake moon landing. Grow up people!
     
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    From Dr. Judith Curry this report she got from New Jersey
    https://www.city-journal.org/califo...d-powered-grid-is-dead-end?wallit_nosession=1

    Three basic constraints work against building enough batteries to solve the intermittency of wind and solar power, however. First, there’s the time it takes to conquer the inevitable engineering challenges in building anything new at industrial scales. Second, there’s the scale issue itself and the deeply naïve reluctance to consider the utterly staggering quantity of batteries that would be required to keep society powered if most electricity is supplied at nature’s convenience. And finally, directly derived from the scale issues, are the difficulties involved in obtaining sufficient primary minerals to build as many batteries as the green dreamers want.

    Let’s start with the engineering realities. Mere days after its ribbon-cutting, the Moss Landing mega-battery went offline. Heat and fire-detection systems automatically shut the battery down, activated sprinklers, and called local fire departments. Fortunately, nothing happened this time, but engineers have to take seriously fires with large lithium batteries because they are self-fueling and can be difficult, if not borderline impossible, to suppress. The technical issues resemble the ones plaguing several electric-car manufacturers, but the scale of grid-scale batteries adds to the challenge. The Moss Landing beast has an array of 100,000 lithium battery modules containing as much lithium as some 20,000 Teslas. The last thing anyone wants is for Moss Landing to light up like a Roman Candle visible from space.

    This past summer, the Tesla Megapack in South Australia did catch fire and burn out a number of its tractor-trailer-sized “packs.” Two years earlier, a similar fire at a smaller but still utility-scale battery plant in Arizona caused an explosion and injured several firefighters. The state paused its grid-scale battery rollout while it investigated. As of this writing, some 75 percent of Moss Landing’s total capacity remains offline with, as one headline put it, “no timeline on return.”
     
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    Actually this planet came billions of years after the Big Bang. Around 9 billion later in fact.

     
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    It baffles me how people still believe this “We can change the climate” hogwash. Doom has been on our doorstep since the 1970’s and we are still here doing just fine.
     
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    From the above issue
     
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    In Germany, global warming is changing more than just the climate

    "In the latest German election, the environmentalist Green Party won more votes than ever, giving it a seat at the table as a new government is formed. Unlike in the United States where the issue is still subject to debate, global warming is a key concern in Germany, and voters increasingly expect politicians to address it."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...=857693951420692326&utm_medium=Email Sailthru
     
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    We'll see how they feel this winter when they're cold in the dark.
    German Energy Prices “Going Through The Roof”, Supply Tightens As Leaders Botch Energy Policy
    By P Gosselin on 23. October 2021

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    Political energy mismanagement in Germany now risks inflicting tremendous pain on citizens as energy shortages intensify and prices skyrocket. Coming winter of discontent? . . .
     
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    I take no joy in the foolishness or suffering of others, although I can't deny a bit of schadenfreude as the pious pomposities of green energy advocates are punctured.
     
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    There's that joy again. I don't think I've ever met anyone before who gets such a buzz from bad news.
     
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    QUOTE="Tigger2, post: 1073025502, member: 91353"]There's that joy again. I don't think I've ever met anyone before who gets such a buzz from bad news.[/QUOTE]


    Well perhaps you can say you have met two now :) I get a buzz when proven correct -- specially when it is in the stock market and something you have predicted... but .. just having your predictions shown correct .. and well .. a bit of an "I told you so"

    and it a while this is "bad news" for the EU for this winter .. it is not all bad .. as perhaps we can learn from the mistakes of the EU .. mindless predictions of a fossil free future .. short sighted having drastic consequences ..

    Unfortunately we are not learning - Blue is still headlong .. and headstrong - wanting to decrease domestic production .. same mantra coming from the Canada's leftist green crowd ... and same groups really--- promoting this political bandwagon narrative.

    "Not in our Back Yard" policy - BUT - our consumption has little decreased - well .. think it is still increasing .. Yeah .. sorry about that .. increasing consumption .. so lets reduce supply. and if anyone says to you that by reducing the supply - the price will increase and this will disincentivize consumption - this person is not necessarily a moron . .. as on the surface such a thing sounds like it might be credible - but only if this person is a petroleum economic moron -- and do feel free to ask why :) Hint - decreasing domestic supply will increase prices short term - increase imported production will soon make up the difference quickly and price will adjust down - and for other reasons.

    What they don't tell you is the second part of this mypic ineptitude "Dump it in the Ocean" - which is what happens for every drop of oil that we consume - but do not produce domesically.

    The last 25 years have been a disaster for the Oceans - forget AGW - heck .. they are saying nations will be destroyed by end of century .. lets call it 60-80 years.

    No need to wait 60-80 years for the Ocean kids .. its happening right now .. can't handle another 25 years.. without catestrophic effect.
    And this Blue Parade is marching headlong down that path .. incentivizing and financing industrialization of non industrialized populations/regions.

    but never mind the Oceans .. Don't worry yourself .. we will just not eat fish .. and hopefully the increasing number of dead zones will not reach a point where oxygen is affected .. 60% or some such thing from the Ocean.

    This path of industrialization - not just including fossil but outsourcing - That T-Shirt you are wearing from China is a problem. - is what caused .. CO2 emissions to increase from 22 Billion tons/year to 36 Billion tons per year over the last 25 years. .. and continues to increase as we industrialize. We did ~600-800 million over the last 25 years .. total industrialized to roughly 2 Billion. 6 Billion left to go.

    The problem is that the population increased from 5.7 to 7.7 over this period .. 2 billion souls we added since 1995 .. so the non industrialized population is increasing faster than our rate of "Transforming" them ... from consuming at a rate of (1) to consuming at a rate of (36) .. and with this consumption its associated biproducts.

    So not only is this "Not in my backyard - Dump it in the Oceans" policy killing the Oceans - (Did I mention Dead zones went from 120 to over 400 in the last 25 years .. one the size of the State of New Jersey) .. this policy is also the root cause of the continued increase in global CO2 emissions.

    Note to self -- during the last 25 years - first world nations decreased overall emissions .. which means that the entire increase .. and more .. comes on the back of industrialization .. and we also have done nothing to address population growth .. predicting 10 Billion by 2050...

    We don't swim in your toilet .. please don't pee in our pool .. say the fish.






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    The earth's climate is determined by how much land is near the poles.

    If earth had two polar oceans like Jurassic, it would be warmer and wetter and have 99% less ice.

    Co2 has nothing to do with it.
     
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    What is your evidence of oceans rising?


    Three sinking island chains near the PROF?......

    Lol...
     

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