The Nuclear Fallout of Fukushima

So, "serfin", you all in favor of removing Indian Point NY, San Onofre, CA, and Diablo Canyon, CA because they are on faults? No?

Internal combustion engines don't render whole sections of the globe uninhabitable when they throw a rod or overheat. See the difference? You cannot definitively say that nuclear power is 100% safe, not even the best. Japan was upheld as THE model nation for nuclear energy as recent as February 2011. We have a zero tolerance for critical overheating in nuclear plants. Fresnel plants, that also just boil fluids to run turbines, have all sorts of tolerance for mishaps. Compared to nuclear, fresnel is like putting your infant in a triple-A+++ car seat in a subaru in the back seat facing forward. Nuclear is taking that infant and strapping it to the hood of a racecar with nitro boost and with a driver you've been told "is really really good at driving...and getting better by the year".

Since not one thing was left standing in Tuscaloosa last week from the path of just one of several deadly tornados that all decided to show up that day, we can assume a nuclear plant would not be 100% jim-dandy now would we. Remember: 0% tolerance for mishap in nuclear. No wiggle room at all.

Here's the two maps again:





We have a democracy, make our own laws or we don't. I stand by that we still do. If we don't want nuclear to wipe out whole regions like NYNY for example, then we stand up and tear them down.

 

When things get worse at Fukushima or around a nuclear plant near you, how do you make things safe again? Easy. You change the definition of safe:

Ah you've gotta love how politics can trump science again and again and again. I'm not even sure why we have scientists around anymore. I think their only function is to whore for big business. Data flies by the wayside. Children of Chernobyl are denounced as fakes, not existing. Soaring cancer rates decades later in the Baltic and "all is well".

Children's cells mutate faster than adults exposed to new unacceptable levels of radiation. The simple facts are that if the world discovers that Prefect in Japan is now simply uninhabitable for that many miles around the one little problem in March, then nuclear opponents will win and alternatives will be funded to be developed instead.

Long story short, sweet japanese children must suffer and die for decades to come so that your stock in nuclear power can retain its value.

Have fun sleeping tonight. And may your nightmares plague you for as long as the radiation plagues those children of Japan. You know who you are. You are shameless, you are souless, you are foul.

 

For what it's worth, a buddy of mine in NY has been coughing up blood for about 2 weeks now, along with a reoccurring bloody nose. He finally went to the doctor yesterday, and there are trace particles of radioactive material in his body. What does that tell you?

 

That your anecdotal evidence means squat and offers nothing to the objectivity of the discussion?

 

For what it's worth, a buddy of mine in NY has been coughing up blood for about 2 weeks now, along with a reoccurring bloody nose. He finally went to the doctor yesterday, and there are trace particles of radioactive material in his body. What does that tell you? Could it be from Japan? Will it feed on the weak first?

 

I'm just raising the question. You assume that I'm bringing evidence to the table, when all I have are questions.

 

The evidence is in over in Fukushima Prefect however. Children have been told to enter schools where dangerously high levels of radiation have been "retooled" to be "safe" so that Japan won't have to show the rest of the world how dangerous nuclear reactors are. So more R&D money will keep flowing in that direction instead of viable replacements for boiling water to steam: Basically it's money for death of children. I like to distill things down to their actual root abstract core.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkucHl4GgN8"]YouTube - Concentrating Solar Power Plants 1 MW- 5 MW (Fresnel technology)[/ame]

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Here's more measurable data [aka facts]

 

What a thread.

It's like watching a wee one screaming for a candy bar at the check-out, with a bunch of adults crooning "now, now, don't harm yourself".

 

lmao, that is funny.

Of course you're just asking questions.

And of course there's somebody here to tell you exactly what's wrong with little bartholomew.

 

If they pose safety concerns due to things like seismic activity, yes. They can be relocated to areas close enough to serve the same markets while still being out of the danger area.

I can't definitively say any technology other than maybe solar is 100% safe.

That analogy only works if you're paranoid.

No, what we can assume is that Tuscaloosa didn't have the proper architectural designs for its buildings to survive a tornado.

Geodomes, for example, are much stronger than conventional building designs.

San Francisco developed its own technology for making basically "earthquake-proof" skyscrapers.

Again and again, it's advances in technology that save us from disaster, so I don't see why we can't use architectural advances to our advantage when building something like a nuclear power plant.

Tuscaloosa wouldn't have a problem with a plant designed to handle a tornado, and yes, there are designs that could survive one.

Whether or not we're a democracy is irrelevant to this discussion since nuclear power neither precludes nor requires one.

 

Oh, c'mon! Solar focusers like fresnel could burn a couple of workers pretty badly if they got between the beam and the boiler tubes. A worker here or there could go blind staring into those reflectors!!!

See, we need to talk about the word "safe" in relative terms, don't we? A technology where one mishap at a single plant renders tens of thousands of square miles uninhabitable for humans, forever [as far as civilizations go] is a bit more unsafe than a coal plant explosion or a refinery mishap. Sure in those cases the immediate grisly casualties are significant. But after the cleanup, life goes on around the plant. At most a few miles might be affected envirnomentally. But that explosion won't drift around the planet on the trade winds or ocean currents and screw whole fisheries [think tuna, an apex predatory migratory species that concentrate environmental toxins like radiation] and soils/dairies and so forth...maiming and killing thousands, tens of thousands maybe in a silent and postponed epidemic of deadly cancers..

There again is ZERO tolerance for one single nuclear mishap, whereas there is all sorts of tolerance with other power plants. And since no man has ever, nor will ever outsmart mother nature, there can be no nuclear plant that is 100% safe. So, therefore, nuclear energy cannot be.

I offer again the following maps and remind folks to be very, very thankful that this time, natural events skirted around our nuclear plants in the Southeast. This time...

Luckily the backup generators this time weren't in the path of a tornado. I know the US has a lot of real estate but even we would be foolhardy to destroy tens of thousands of square miles every time one of our reactors takes a crap on us... Tornados, earthquakes, tsunamis..heck even a raccoon shut of power to Grand Rapids in 2010.

What's next? A bubblegum wrapper? You just cannot plan for everything with nuclear and since there is no such word as "safe" or even "mitigatable" in conjunction with the phrase "nuclear mishap", the technology must be abandoned. It simply must.

 

An Australian MD weighs in on the new arbitrary [industry, not medical] standards of "safe" radiation exposure for young children now back at school in the lethal Fukushima district.

They are doing this so people will not be alarmed that the large region of land now uninhabitable is still, somehow "inhabitable". Because if there was a permanent evacuation of the dangerous large region now affected by the one little mishap at Fukushima, then nuclear giants like GE would be cut off from the R&D gravy train they now enjoy..at taxpayers expense.

So we,[yes we, as long as we remain silent and do nothing to stop it like boycott GE or scream at our representatives] are collectively throwing beautiful young Japanese boys and girls, so full of life and promise to augment this decaying world, right under the bus. And this so we can continue to play pretend: that boiling water is much better done by a technology we still don't know how to handle; and likely never will.

There are some things men should never mess with. Nuclear is one of them. Face facts.

 

So this is the newest, the best, the apex designs in reactors that are "safe" being built or scheduled to be built near you. So instead of the keystone cops putting out the radiation post 72-hours, you'll have the keystone firemen getting massive doses of radiation, amidst possible hydrogen explosions and so forth [that would blast the water storage passive tanks sky-high anyway], as they fumble around trying to keep another gigantic region of the earth being rendered uninhabitable..

Here's what our very very best nuclear scientists had to say at the end of the article about Fukushima and how it will affect our safest planned reactors we're all supposed to not worry about:

Now THAT'S comforting!

 

A news two years ago has reported the intention to extort Japan with HAARP caused earthquake. At that time, the news might be viewed as crazy for some people. When the 3/11 earthquake took place, that news has been proved true. Now it’s for Iran war – to wage a public panic on coming “dirty bomb attack”.

Western Bankers Threatened Japan with HAARP Eco-Destruction a Year Before China Quakes

 

Well whatever is true about that or not, nuclear is a no-go. That's a fact that cannot be disputed. It can be buried, hidden, bowled over and contorted but it doesn't change the impact of the fact.

Japan is feeling that now. Chernobyl still feels it today. Although, the Children of Chernobyl website was ordered by the UN to take down the awful birth defect photos in order to continue to receive funding..those birth defects still exist, skyrocketing all around Chernobyl. Meanwhile suddenly children in the Fukushima Prefect "can" now handle 20 times the radiation that was considered unsafe for them just a year ago. Isn't that odd? Suddenly we have super-children in Japan.

Either that or the facts have been changed to protect the industry..

 

HAARP & Weather Control

Date: 04-04-11
Host: George Noory
Guests: Brooks Agnew, Oliver Williams

Electrical engineer and researcher Brooks Agnew talked about Project HAARP-styled technology, used by the U.S., China and Russia to artificially manipulate the ionosphere & weather, and potentially control populations and armies. By using different frequencies, HAARP technology can cause structures in the ground to vibrate, bringing on geologic effects such as earthquakes, he explained. The recent quake in Japan might have been induced this way, he speculated, adding that of the countries that have this technology, China would have the most to gain by Japan's loss. There were also signs (a lavender colored sky) just before the quakes in Chile and Haiti that indicate possible involvement of the technology, he added.

Using HAARP technology to manipulate the weather is the "perfect weapon" that leaves no fingerprints-- "It's [viewed as] an act of God that comes in and directs a hurricane into your path, or starves you out of rain for a couple years, or causes a summer of heat so bad that your wheat cooks into dust," Agnew commented (he demonstrated some of this technology on an episode of Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura). HAARP techniques have also been applied as a non-lethal weapon/psychological operation during wartime, as well as possible experiments on civilians, he detailed.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2011/04/04

 

Actually, it's just more Chicken Little bleating from Chicken Little, like the other thousand times.

I'll take a dozen breeder reactors in this area as soon as ground can be broken, please.

 

I know they can concentrate sound waves. And it sure seems coincidental that our main ally near China has been effectively hamstrung, with the toxic cloud heading over us and the trade winds making China the last to receive that dump.

In any even, nuclear is not feasible, not in good times or bad. Because there really are acts of nature outside any influence of man that can leave entire regions wrecked for generations, thousand of generations if we're talking about plutonium present at every nuclear plant and it's spent fuel ponds.

 

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You need a new routine, Chicken Little.

 

That's a lot of repetitive effort you've been putting out there big guy..you know..for a "disinterested party" in the nuclear power bid.

If the subject doesn't interest you, simply move along. But it does doesn't it? Yes, it does..

For some reason..

 

I am anything but "disinterested", which you would know had you actually read my posts (like, say, post #67 in this thread). The subject GREATLY interests me! I would be ecstatic were a dozen nuclear plants (ideally, breeders) to be built in this area!

 

OK well the truth can set you free.

You'd be OK then with potentially a dozen more Fukushimas or Chernobyls too right? Because inherant in every nuclear plant is that potential. Even the very "best, new" engineered plants.

And to that end, did you know that the new innovation in "safety" for these new plants is placing water tanks on their rooftops designed to trickle feed with gravity, water into overheating reactor cores? Did you know they're only designed to last for 72 hours? After that it's another Fukushima. And that's assuming those water tanks haven't been blown sky-high or toppled over by a powerful earthquake.

And then there's the separate issue of spent fuel. Plutonium has a 24,000 year half-life as is the most toxic substance known to mankind. As we've seen, it's presence in the environment can render entire regions uninhabitable for tens of thousands of years.

Is that the "dozen or more" scenarios you're so anxious to have? Tell that to the kids ordered to return to Fukushima [so the nuclear industry won't have to look bad or rethink its existence] at 20 TIMES THE SAFE LEVEL OF RADIATION EXPOSURE TO CHILDREN.

 

I'm confused, how many people have been irradiated by Fuk so far? I still haven't heard of one. Clearly what has happened is not good but running around yelling about how the sky is falling is not the way to get people on your side.

 

The problem is if you took the same strict safety standards nuclear alarmists like the OP try to set for nuclear reactors for other large industrial complexes, you would not have any major oil refineries or chemical plants either. The truth is as soon as someone says nuclear radiation the alarmists picture a nuclear bomb going off and the horrible casualties such an event inflicts - the fact that such a picture has very little to do with a nuclear reactor is irrelevant to their world-view.

 

The sky already has fallen for 80,000 people!

The 80,000 PLUS residents in the 12 mile radius WOULD HAVE BEEN IRRADIATED, but they have been removed from their homes, leaving behind almost all their possessions.

They are theoretically only evacuated for a year or two but in reality will probably not be able to EVER return home.

Further, 100's of thousands of acres of croplands are destroyed, for at least 30 years.

Fish from the ocean off their coast for a 100 miles will be banned for at least 30 years.

These are the MINIMUM effects, so far.

Sadly, the radioactive materials have melted down into the earth (this happened in the first 8 hours) in at least one, but probably all of the buildings, and the haphazard fission is busy in the earth and grounds.

The end result is entirely unknown.