The Nuclear Fallout of Fukushima

Yep. The nuke shills like to ignore the elephant in the living room: that an entire region has been abandoned by man forever because of one nuclear accident. They want you to think in terms of "immediate human casualties" to take the focus off the more horrific fallout...literally and figuratively..

Yes darling. However, we don't send children into major oil refineries or chemical plants at 20 times the risk of what is acceptable to learn their ABCs..

You've read the news lately I assume?

 

10,000+ Japanese people have died as a result of the Earthquake and Tsunami...

and STILL I have yet to hear from "activists" calling for the removal of all coastal cities and for them to be reestablished inland...why!?

doesn't this tragedy show once and for all that coastal cities like those in Japan and elsewhere around the World pose a greater threat to human life than a nuclear power plant which has killed noone???

 

Well, we don't build the oceans, nor to we pay to create tsunamis.

Nor do we use enormous amounts of taxpayer money to build housing on the coasts, like we have done to insure and supply nuclear plants.

Try again.

 

Because usually you can move people back into coastal settlements after a tsunami and cleanup. They are quite beautiful areas to settle in.

Except if a nuclear accident happens there. Then no one can live in those settlements ever again. Forever.

 

Yes...nobody can ever live anywhere near a place where a nuclear bomb exploded! Anything anywhere near even a tiny steam release from a power plant is uninhabitable! Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and a 20-mile radius around Three Mile Island are WASTELANDS! Oh, wait, none of that is true...never mind.

And inherent in the tank farm I drive past every day is the risk of a gargantuan explosion. (If anything, I suspect it's MUCH more likely than a nuclear release.)

The waste problem is a problem for one reason: President Peanuthead's idiotic ban on reprocessing spent nuclear fuel. Throw that in the Dumpster where it belongs, start reprocessing, get a few breeder reactors up and running, get plenty of modern PWR plants up and running to replace what are often 1960's and 1970's designs...stop burning oil, soft coal, & natural gas to make electricity.

 

Yes, after a nuclear plant was hit with a giant earthquake and a tsunami, no one was irradiated. So in what is pretty much a worst case scenario, no deaths.

Yep, land can get messed up. Still, no deaths due to radiation. Japan will certainly be working hard to get those lands cleaned up and usable. Again, this plant was hit with an earthquake and a tsunami, no deaths.

 

In what way does that lessen the cost in human lives?

 

Yes the land [thousands of square miles of it] can get "messed up". I notice you didn't elaborate on "messed up". Allow me.

Plutonium beginning to be found all around Fukushima Prefecture has a half-life of 24,000 years. It is the most toxic substance known to mankind. The cancers that will be arising from the radiation exposure of the children forced to resume school there will be showing up in the next decade. Many of them will die from these cancers and other radiation-related illnesses. We know that. We know it in-advance. Japanese officials know it too. But being unable to "lose face" at a stupid decision to promote nuclear power over geothermal [a resource their country is filled to the brim with], means the men charged with protecting those kids will send them to their deaths instead of say they made a mistake.

"cleaned up and usable" eh? Decades after Chernobyl, a disaster at least on par if not less so than Fukushima, and there is a vast uninhabitable zone around that plant. They have a police force that does nothing else but keep people from entering that zone. I'm sure there's a reason for that..

So good luck with that "cleaned up and usable" thing. What they're doing to children by sending them back in at 20 times last year's safe level for radiation exposure is beyond criminal negligence: it is calculated blood sacrafice of innocent children for money and saving face.

 

Do you uinderstand the difference between exposure to external radiation and the health effects of internal emitters?

The Chernobyl disaster has resulted in 985,000 deaths - so far - almost all of these deaths are due to the health effects of the internal alpha emitters released by the Chernobyl disaster.

The New York Acadamy of Science has recently released a report which translated about 6000 medical articles (mainly published in Russia) into English.

Look it up if you wish

http://www.nyas.org/publications/annals/Detail.aspx?cid=f3f3bd16-51ba-4d7b-a086-753f44b3bfc1

The estimates on the Fukushima disaster is that there will be an additional 400,000 cancers over the next decade just in the 200km zone

That estimate was based on the underestimates of the release given by the lying TEPCO and the Japansese authorities

New estimates put the figure at well over a million additional cancers

 

Yep. And all that illustrates is that the acceptable number of nuclear plant failures is < 1. Anything greater than 0 is literally an unmitigated disaster. We have had three in the last 30 years in a fleet of aging reactors and their spent fuel ponds; all just waiting for their 15 minutes [24,000 years?] of fame.

Mitigation allows for eventual resolution. Plutonium particularly allows for ZERO resolution. 24,000 years is a long time to wait to rebuild.. For all intents and purposes it is forever.

 

Wow, I sure am glad there are no nuclear plants in Joplin.

Oh, uh...wait a minute...I guess Oklahoma is getting hammered now.. *checks US map for nuclear plants nearby*..

Getting the message yet folks?

 

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There have been two major accidents at nuclear power plants. One was a combination of incredible stupidity and poor design: an explosion at a badly-designed graphite-core reactor with no containment building, after all safeguards had been, in a staggering display of idiocy, bypassed. The other was the result of a massive earthquake followed immediately by a massive tsunami, a once-a-millenium occurrance. (Of course, I am the FIRST to say that nuclear power plants should not be built on coastal fault lines in the path of a tsunami!)

I'll take a half-dozen breeder reactors in this area as soon as ground can be broken, and another half-dozen when those are finished.

 

Hmmm..The sky may indeed be falling. Now Texas Dallas/Fort Worth are in trouble with a mega cell/tornado complex.

And say, don't they have a couple of nuclear plants near there? That's right, they do. Keep you fingers crossed. This is going to be a close one.

I wonder what would happen to a nuclear plant if a chunk of a skyscraper caught in the blender-action got slammed into a nuclear reactor? I'm sure the containment would hold...

Not.

 

A million deaths? Where did you get that number, I came up with
"up to 4000" and can actually provide a source; the world health organization. If you expect me to become a member of some science academy to look through a 400 page book to debate on an internet forum, you have another thing coming.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2005/pr38/en/index.html

 

So now tornadoes are going to kill our nuclear plants? I'd have to say no, that's not going to happen.

 

I know what would happen, actually: the "chunk of skyscraper" would hit the containment building and fly apart, the containment building would have some cosmetic damage and a bunch of somewhat-shaken workers inside. You clearly have absolutely no idea how strong the containment buildings are...offhand, one nearby is designed to survive a direct hit by a shell from a 16" battleship gun: that is, over 2000lbs, traveling at more than half a mile a second, and loaded with explosives.

 

Chernobyl isn't in a first world country that has very respectable scientific abilities and a lot of money that can be invested. If there is a way to clean up the area, they will find it. If not, then a small area will not be able to be inhabited by humans for a little while. It's not good but it's not the end of the world.

 

Yeah, people don't seem to realize just how sealed up this crap is. Again it took a giant earthquake and a giant tsunami to cause the problem in Japan.

Following video has swearing, so don't watch at work! Shows some nuclear tests
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Thats just plain not so. In fact, you can google "Chernobyl teaming with Wildlife". The history of folks exposed to radiation indicates they are less likely to get Cancer - you can google that too. Nonsense!

 

Thats just plain not so. In fact, you can google "Chernobyl teeming with Wildlife". The history of folks exposed to radiation indicates they are less likely to get Cancer - you can google that too. The plants survived a 9.0 Earthquake, a 30 foot Tsunami and belched a few times. The Japanese are not putting their children at risk.

 

Japan loses two more reactors...

TEPCO confirms meltdowns at two more reactors
Wed, May 25, 2011 - The operator of the nuclear power plant at the center of a radiation scare after being disabled by Japan’s March 11 earthquake and tsunami confirmed yesterday that there had been meltdowns of fuel rods at three of its reactors.

 

With tornados, the violent action is just the beginning. Power outages and inability to bring in relief equipment is the second phase. The best latest reactor designs only allow for 72 hours passive gravity water flow to cool reactors and fuel ponds, that's assuming they haven't already been blow up or toppled off the rooftops. After that is meltdown central at your regularly scheduled nuclear disaster.

There is only one number of acceptable nuclear plant failures. That number is zero. And since men have never designed an infallible reactor, the number of acceptable nuclear plants is zero therefore.

 

In Texas people have concerns about nuclear reactors including valid terrorist concerns, hidden expense and so forth. I didn't realize how much freon is required to process uranium, or how much CO2 is released in the mining/refining process. But here are other concerns:

To that they can add the threat of power-outages and the "state-of-the-art" designs of new nuclear reactors [theirs are quite old down there in tornado alley]. 72-hours isn't all that long to recover from a major disaster. In fact of the increasing numbers of them we seem to be having, the run time on picking up the pieces is more like years rather than hours..

 

HAARP was activated on 3/11.

Quote, "US government takes down HAARP website to conceal evidence of US weather modification and earthquake inducing warfare.

Monday, April 18th, 2011

Updated April 21, 2011 &#8211; The HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) website has been down for the past 3 weeks. It was ordered taken down by the US government to conceal US weather modification and earthquake inducing warfare activities against foreign states.
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Evidence from HAARP&#8217;s own website revealed that the US government was acting in violation of the ENMOD treaty &#8211; use of weather modification techniques (HAARP) for the purposes of inducing damage or destruction. HAARP broadcasting data published on the HAARP website coincided with a number of recent major catastrophes such as the 2010 Haiti earthquake, the 2010 heatwave in Russia, the major floorings in 2010 in China and Pakistan and the major earthquakes in Haiti and Japan &#8211; all occurred since US president and commander-in-chief of the United States military Barack Hussein Obama took office.


The Japan 9.0 earthquake offered the most damaging evidence of the US government using HAARP to induce major damage and destruction against a foreign state. HAARP&#8217;s magnetometer data showed the World that HAARP (jointly managed by the US Air Force and the US Navy) began broadcasting the earthquake inducing frequency of 2.5 Hz on March 8, 2011 and continued to broadcast the frequency for the entire days of March 9, 2011 and March 10, 2011. HAARP wasn&#8217;t turned off until 10 hours after the Japan 9.0 magnitude earthquake that was triggered on Friday, March 11, 2011 at 05:46:23 UTC.

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Update April 21, 2011
Under pressure from the International community the HAARP website is up again. No data is available from April 7 to April 12, 2011. Data before and after shows the signature frequency of an earthquake (2.5Hz) being transmitted. Also shows energy spikes which indicates active weather modification. Now that the website is up again you can view the data for the Japan earthquake at http://137.229.36.30/cgi-bin/scmag/d...g.cgi?20110311.

http://letsrollforums.com/u-s-government-takes-t25138.html

 

Kudos to the Germans!

[and the Italians and the Swiss]. When you live in such beauty as those countries do, all you have to do is close your eyes in a quiet moment and imagine carcasses of your beautiful dairy cattle scattered all over a landscape of your relatively small nation, now rendered uninhabitable for 24,000 years.

Anyone who would criticize Germany for their wise and mature, sober decision is a patent fool.

Remember, while the US [brought to you by General Electric] brazenly announces plans to build more death reactors [with tornados, faultlines and terrorist threats whizzing all around] with "new "safe" improvements", those "improvements" are nothing but a bandage applied to a flawed system. They consist of *ready for this?* placing water tanks on the rooftop so that if the power goes out the water can trickle down to cool reactors and waste plutonium ponds. And they last for a WHOLE 72 HOURS!

And you know, the two major nuclear catastrophies we've had, that's PLENTY of time to get things back together!

Wow, I feel so SAFE now!

Idiots. Greedy, shameless pit vipers. Boycott GE. Just do it. No more NBC, MSNBC. No more GE electronic products. Turn a product all around. If you find the "GE" logo on them anywhere, leave them on the shelves. If you buy GE products you are actually financing the rancid, feotid powerhold that can send sweet japanese schoolkids to an area rife with 20 times [probably more, you know how honest they are] the safe level for children in radiation. Yes, you're actually promoting that alongside GE corporate officers. If you can sleep at night with kids' cancer cases on your hands, then buy GE. If you have a conscience at all, then don't. It's that simple.

The minute GE announces they will be withdrawing plans to expand nuclear energy, I will be the first to promote everyone to buy their products. They have options. They could monopolize fresnel, plain solar or geothermal power plants as easily as nuclear. And those plants can be constructed at a fraction of the cost of nuclear. If I was a GE stockholder I'd be furious with the people running the show there. Imagine taking your money and investing it on as risky a "prospect" as increasing nuclear liabilities by constructing more plants???? They are not green power, they are darker than the blackest soot infested belching coal hogs. Their damage is invisible for a decade or so, which makes them all the more dangerous. You mitigate horrors by being able to see them..

GE needs to get its crap together and fast.