The one thing the Kavanaugh nomination has shown

Exactly where does the FBI go to get this information the only known eyewitnesses, have stated under oath that they weren't at the party Doctor Ford cites in her testimony.

 

You make some valid points. However, until the FBI or some other politically neutral group investigates this, we'll continue batting heads with each other over where the truth lies. Wouldn't it be better for everyone to have that in-depth investigation? I am convinced it would be better for the Supreme Court & the integrity of our political institutions.

 

We will be engaged in exactly the same pissing contest a week from now. Because the FBI, as good as it is, still isn't omniscient or omnipresent, and won't find anything because there is nothing to find. So we will be back for round two of he said she said.

 

You sound like someone whose mind is made up, so why bother seeking the truth? With that attitude, I feel deeply sorry for anyone accused of a crime, or anyone who was actually a victim of a crime. Our legal system is SUPPOSED to be based on what actually happened. If we're not interested in pursuing the truth of any matter, what kind of justice system do we have left? Not an attractive one for most of us.

 

No I sound like some who examined both sides of the story, looked at the available facts and drawn accurate and easily available conclusions based on those facts. Whether one does or does not support Kavanaugh we have all the available information. Unless the FBI is in possession of a time machine, the likelihood of them adding significant information to what we already know is for all practical purposes nil. The idea that we will not be right back where we are now in a week's time, is based not on fact but on wishful thinking.

 

If Ford was the only concern here, you might have some ground to stand on, but she isn't. There are other accusations that deserve investigation, that could impact this nominee. Why aren't you concerned about them?

 

Really? NYT could find no one to corroborate number 2. And what avenatti has alleged is so unlikely to have happened that it borders on stating that there flocks of pink elephants flying about Mars.

 

There are many things in our lives that are odd, unusual, or implausible.

 

I have only one question for Senators Flake, Collins, and Murkowski. First, watch this video showing an angry Trump-like Kavanaugh telling us in a highly partisan, wild eyed, opening speech how there is a conspiracy among members of the Senate as he recalls the 2016 election, the Democratic candidate, and left wing opposition groups. Soon after that, a highly emotional Kavanaugh breaks down into a stifled cry.



My question for the three Senators and the persons on this thread.

Never mind Kavanaugh's guilt or innocence, is this the kind of man we want on the Supreme Court?

 

There is a difference between implausible and impossible. The likelihood that, 10+ high school girls could be drugged and gang raped and at least one mom and dad not raising bloody murder, when there teenaged daughter was brought home barely able to walk and blood running down her inner thighs from a gang rape border on zero.

 

In his book, Mark Judge describes one of his acquaintances at the time, someone named “Bart O’Kavanaugh,” who vomited in a car after a party.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ged-kavanaugh-assault/?utm_term=.0d1d8c0021f7

Judge's book is entitled "Wasted: Tales of a Gen X Drunk." Judge is a recovering alcoholic.

In one passage of the book in a chapter titled "A Functioning Alcoholic," senior year students, including Judge, lamented the news that they would be spending Sundays during their senior year doing community service.

"'We have to do something,' I said. 'They can't get away with this our senior year.'
"'What are we going to do?' Shane said, laughing. 'Drink a hundred kegs and brag about it?'
"No one laughed. For a second, no one even spoke. 'It's brilliant,' I said."
Judge and his high school buddies went on to create a newspaper called the Heretic, a riff on their school newspaper the Saint. One of the main objectives of the paper, as laid out by Judge in the book, was to chronicle "the 100-keg quest and everything that happened on the way."
According to his book, Judge and his friends continued to publish and anonymously distribute the paper on campus, with a continued emphasis on the 100-keg quest in the pages. Judge wrote that by March of his senior year, the keg count was "into the mid-eighties."
In "Wasted," Judge also describes an exchange with a young woman at a party when talk arose of a friend who puked in a car.
"Do you know Bart O'Kavanaugh?"
"Yeah. He's around here somewhere."
"I heard he puked in someone's car the other night."
"Yeah. He passed out on his way back from a party."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/22/politics/mark-judge-books-details-keg-quest/index.html

It is a relatively easy task to find out if there was a classmate of Judge's named Bart O'Kavanaugh along with his friend Brett Kavanaugh. That would be a remarkable coincidence.

 

YES.

 

An angry Trump-like Kavanaugh telling us in a highly partisan, wild eyed, opening speech how there is a conspiracy among members of the Senate as he recalls the 2016 election, the Democratic candidate, and left wing opposition groups. Soon after that, a highly emotional Kavanaugh breaks down into a stifled cry.

That figures.

 

Your Partisan self serving view of Kavanaugh's performance is not the reality.

 

No one in America is more partisan than members of the current Republican/Trump Party. And that extreme partisanship weakens our governmental institutions and our democratic system. I'd very much like to return to the older, more genteel, more successful across the aisle cooperative efforts, coupled with constructive compromise. This policy by Republicans to regard Democrats as an internal enemy rather than the friendly opposition they actually are, is an ugly, destructive policy. They should care more for the well-being of the country than fighting this constant war over every tiny issue, and valuing winning every battle over the general health of the nation they supposedly represent.

 

Absolute damn nonsense this whole affair with Kavanaugh has fully demonstrated you are wrong. Hell for that matter the response to the election of Donald Trump clearly and totally falsifies that statement. The problem for some decades now is that the Democrats define compromise as they get everything they want and Republicans get the blame when the crap the Democrats demanded explodes in our faces. Sorry no point in playing that stupid game any more.

 

How many times have charges been dropped or court cases not been brought due to lack of evidence?

That is what we have here. A lack of evidence.

There will be a lack of evidence next week.

 

How can you watch this hit job on Kavanaugh and call Democrats friendly opposition?

 

You are going to love this.

 

You're wrong. If you think Democrat behavior since Trump's election is over the top, try remembering Republican behaviors after the election of Obama in 2008. Remember McConnell promising to obstruct every move Obama made while President? Remember Trump hounding & harassing Obama over his "fake" birth certificate? Republicans created this extreme polarization between the parties in the early to mid 1990's, beginning under the leadership of Newt Gingrich, who regarded any & all compromise as unacceptable. McConnell & Ryan continue that policy today. I offer the way McConnell and his Republican Senate handled the nominee of Obama's to the Supreme Court as illustrative of that wretched policy. Blaming Democrats for this extreme behavior is totally misguided. As a registered Democrat, I'm personally very tired of it & would welcome a return to political civility.

 

If the FBI continues to be restrained by White House directives, then I would bet you're right. If not, then we have no way of predicting what they could find that was new.

 

I'm not calling it "friendly" opposition. I'm saying with this particular nominee, who is extreme in his personal & political views, Democrats are fighting with everything they have available to them to prevent Kav from seating on the Supreme Court. Democrats see that for the disaster it would be, and are trying hard to prevent it. Asking for an FBI investigation is not unusual in reviewing potentials justices. It's been done frequently in past cases. The extreme position here is NOT asking for it, while ignoring the possibility of criminal activity by a nominee. That's extremism for you. And it's the Republicans continuing that extremism, not Democrats.

 

I stopped counting at 4 major inconsistencies of fact. Nothing about this post seems grounded in facts. And this is exactly what liberal theology hopes for in our nation. How incredibly sad.

 

Why do Democrats oppose staunch proponents of Constitutional law? What makes our Constitution extreme?

 

It's limitation on the liberal view of repressive tyranny as their optimal form of governance.... Obama made mention of this several times. He asserted over and over that a constitution is just a starting point. Of course he thought that way. He intended to abuse it at every turn, and did.