The problem of Capitalism

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Do you agree that the main problem of Capitalism is of moral nature?

Poll closed Apr 12, 2019.
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  3. Maybe

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  1. crank

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  2. bringiton

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    Good, because that shows you still have some degree of rationality: you don't expect reasonable people who are involuntarily subjected to injustice to voluntarily make it even worse.
    Off a cliff....?

    No, thanks.
     
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    Stop being greedy. Stop trying to take other people's land.
     
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    What do you propose we do about the fellow men who choose to use violence to accomplish theirs?
    It is the ONLY effective answer to violence.
     
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    Stop trying to use violence to take your neighbor's land.
     
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    I'm not the one demanding more than I need or deserve. Landowners are. I'm not the one refusing to make just compensation for what I take from others. Landowners are.
    "Other people's" land?? How did they come to own my liberty right to use that land?
     
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    No. It was and is still being taken from me and everyone else by violence, and I will thank you to remember it.
     
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    More accurately, it does not matter how many times you repeat the claim that it has been proven bull$#!+ without supplying any factual or logical support for that claim.
    I have proved it is, in several different ways that you have never even attempted to refute, and I will thank you to remember it.
    You merely heap more disgrace upon yourself. I confess to feeling a certain embarrassed sense of gratification when the opposing side behaves despicably: it convinces me that I am indeed right and on the side of liberty, justice and good, and they are indeed wrong and on the side of tyranny, injustice and evil.
    I have, and always will have, an absolute right to take anyone else's property that consists of my rights.
    Maybe, maybe not. But thanks for admitting that the basis of landowning is nothing but forcible, violent, aggressive physical coercion.
     
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    Not only is the individual trying to steal that which belongs to others, the individual also refuses to share that which the individual already has.

    And the individual calls us greedy.
     
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    No, you're the one refusing to share what you have, and asking for more.
     
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    I've noticed that such a thing happens fairly frequently. People are called greedy because they don't want their stuff taken by force.
     
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    And you condemn ME, who walks the talk.
     
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    I.e., monopolists imposing their will on others by force of violence.
     
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    When that stuff is more than they need or deserve.
     
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    I don't agree with your idea of taking mine and all my neighbor's land by force.
     
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    In order to feel okay about taking more free stuff, they need to demonise their victims. It's all guilt salve.

    Pretty sure that's why they dislike me so much .. because I'm the constant reminder that there's a world of difference between spouting do-gooder theories while living just like every other 'greedy mofo' - and actually living them. The needle in the side, disallowing the get-out-of-jail-free card.
     
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    But YOU deserve it, right?
     
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    I disagree that judges could be private, for-profit businesses accountable only to their clients and still render consistently impartial and just decisions. I also disagree that it is even possible for such judges to adjudicate all disputes by the advance consent of the disputing parties.
    I would prefer injured parties be able to seek justice from an impartial arbitrator without having to bid more than the perpetrator for favorable treatment from a private, for-profit "judge."

    Are you really ignorant of the fact that your system has already been tried by the Islamic Courts in Somalia, a country whose major industry is piracy on the high seas?
     
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    I don't agree with your idea of the state stealing mine and all my neighbors' land.
     
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    I deserve my rights and what I earn by commensurate contributions to production. The landowner demands to own other people's rights, and to take from them more than he earns by productive contribution.
     
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    You are again just makin' $#!+ up about what I have plainly written. Anyone who claims to own land is stealing it from all who would otherwise be at liberty to use it. You and your neighbors are the thieves, not the state.
     
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    No, I can't get behind this idea of yours. The state stealing people's land is not something I can get behind.
     
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    Yes you do. That is what landowning in the absence of government means: feudalism.
    Or facts or liberty or justice.
    I get it: you are unable to offer anything but the same false dichotomy fallacy over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
    Unless you own them.
     
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    Which was your actual goal. Right.
     
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    Sorry, but I can't get behind your plan to steal my and all my neighbor's land.
     

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