The rise of anti-science

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  1. lynx

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    Not normally. But we can't rely on today's scientists to provide empirical evidence regarding ufos and aliens. They just can't. This is a complete new world that we know the scientists can't provide answers, a new world that will rip apart what the modern scientists learn and believe for the last couple centuries, therefore, it would place many scientists against it, reject its reality which many people around the world have experience with. That's where the raise of anti-science begin, this NEW REALITY.
     
  2. lynx

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    lolololol, that may take another thousand years before they can provide any empirical evidence and collect their Nobel Peace Prize.
     
  3. lynx

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    My conclusion: The increasing Public awareness of the UFO phenomenon, the coming out knowledge of our ancient alien history and more and more of UFO sighting and alien encounter reports, THE NEW REALITY are the reason behind the rise of anti-science.
     
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    nutjobs are everywhere. So are the deluded. Why should we set any policy over them, hmm?
     
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    [video=youtube_share;j9w-i5oZqaQ]http://youtu.be/j9w-i5oZqaQ[/video]
     
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    You got a point there. The technology develop way too fast, people can hardly catch up. And it add not much family value, people don't talk much in their dinner table anymore, everyone are texting or playing game. Family don't bond as close as more advanced technology come out. Then, there are threat of transhumanism, people start to aware robots may take over one day, a beginning of the end of human race. then, there are NSA spying program scheme, government utilize advanced tech to infringe our rights. All these contribute to the raise of anti-science.
    I don't think such awareness it's a bad thing.
     
  7. Moi621

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    Anti Science is a justifiable response to Sciencism.
    The Faith that those Ivory Tower jackals are absolutely correct, HALLALU-YA
    until the next "science" comes along.

    Through the anti cholesterol hysteria of the 80's; diabetics were advised to ear pasta, not steak.
    Pasta y'see is a "complex carbohydrate" and is digested more slowly false than bad sugar.
    Of course this was wrong, wrong, wrong.
    Diabetics have a carbohydrate disease, not a cholesterol disease except as a secondary occurrence.

    Science, has become a religion. And who can believe in a religion that keeps changing their truths.
    The better path would be if Science projected some humility and emphasized science's best take at this time, sort of approach.
    And STOP denying the respectability of challengers, treating them as "heretics".



    Moi, BSc Biological Sciences, M.D. :oldman:




    No :flagcanada:
     
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    :applause: I couldn't agree more. New Science discovery happen everyday, older science knowledge often proven wrong by newer science. And yes, blindly follow the so-called modern science methods in everything is similar to religion worship. Anything don't fit in their present views or knowledge, it's heretic. They just discard or deny it. They would even suppress it. Like the UFO phenomenon.
     
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    Science is a logical method for the production of the best possible explanation for what we see at a given time, which is why it evolves. The irony of labelling science a religion in order to denigrate it is often lost on those antiscientists who do it, since they frequently oppose science from a personal religious bent. Science is indifferent to religion, since it deals in reality, although in practice it's often corrosive.
     
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    YES
    The problem is that Science needs to be met with questions, challenges.
    Today Science is met with "parroting" and Inquisition like treatment of non believers.
    Just try approach the subject of a "Rational Vaccine Schedule", with fewer required vaccines and fewer
    vaccine challenges per office visit and witness the cries of "heresy".

    Science needs to push parrots off the stage.
    Witness Sanjay Gupta, M.D. and his 180 degree turn on marijuana. He hopefully read his medical journals.
    He should have been aware the policies were incorrect, yet he "parroted" until the evidence and public forced him to reassess and his excuse: He believed the government, not his medical journals.

    Anti Science is a justifiable response to Science becoming faith based and not intellectually challenged as it should be.



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    So I guess it begs the question who found the science behind diabetes was wrong........Oh wait, researchers using scientific method.........bugger me, how did that happen
     
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    Don't get us wrong, we don't think science care about religion. It is their faith like attitude resemble religion. Nothing logical about their way denying UFO phenomenon for decades. Just because their scientific methods and limited primitive science knowledge can't prove alien exist, doesn't mean the alien don't exist.
     
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    So, since they found science wrong all the time, why should they appear such suppress attitude when challenges come up? Why such assurance regarding to almost anything. We can see their behaviors regarding the UFO phenomenon. Even there are thousands of thousands of witnesses all over the world, some of them are presidents, government officials, high ranking military generals.
     
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    Claiming that since we don't know what UFO's are, they must be aliens in spaceships, is a faith based statement, not a scientific one.
     
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    Thanks I guess, but I actually consider this a very weak post.
     
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    The Science behind Diabetes was fine and the Jocelyn Clinic Diet still one of the best.
    The problem was decades of Science and Government policy that went koo koo over cholesterol

    Now anyone who knows "cholesterol" knows the body makes it, it is not some alien substance people eat and absorb.
    Vitamin D, parts of Cell Membranes, Sex Hormones, etc. are all a "Cholesterol" back bone with specializing attachments.
    And how is "cholesterol" excreted? Via rough course, difficult to digest foods pulling it out.
    Fiber substances in the colon leech cholesterol and other fat soluble waste out of capillaries and into the lumen for defecation.
    The liver also takes cholesterol and fat soluble waste and exretes them into "bile". What stimulates bile?
    Fats, oils, greases on a bare stomach without softeners such as bread, rice, potato stimulating bile release.

    Now the above is old science. Very, very old science.
    New science was cholesterol in the mouth becomes cholesterol in the blood. Not True! Never demonstrated.
    And that is why my Diabetic Patients on an Atkins = Jocelyn Clinic Diet improved both their diabetes and their blood fats.

    It's the bread, not the grease !


    While YOU applaud the science of diabetes correcting itself, I bemoan the destruction those decades of "bad" science wrought.
    And in those decades, I was a heretic. I lost doctor jobs over my unwillingness to push bread & margarine.

    Again: The problem with Science is it has become a closed minded faith when it should be challenged.
    Parrot on Wiz. :wink:



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    But not without logic and creditable witnesses and testimonies. Here it raise a question: What is scientific methods? Can scientific method ignore obvious logic and thousands of creditable witness accounts? If that's so, is it not reasonable we doubt the so-called scientific methods? Can we even trust such methods?
     
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    scientific method is out of date?
    science can't explain "advanced" science?
    UFOs?
    ghosts and spirits?
    global warming is a hoax?
    science has lost its credibility?

    thank you for demonstrating the absurdity of the anti-science movement.
    the tragic part is that you are serious.
     
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    It is most un-scientific when the scientists refuse to allow other voices other than their present knowledge. It is tyranny when they treat other voices as heretic, some of the scientists are too arrogant, sooner or later, they would become laughing stock.

    I feel bad for the victims , and yet, people wonder why we have doubt about them and their methods. They think because I am religious, so I am definitely anti-science when I question them, this is so not true. I question them because their science reports change all the time and they can't provide answers to the UFO phenomenon. They just deny it. I am not satisfy with that, as many other people.
     
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    I can't wait and see your face go red when the alien disclosure happen:wink:
     
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    sorry but it is more than possible to prove something scientifically. From chemical reactions to isotope decay to absolute zero to the boiling point of water at sea level and subsequent effects in increase or decrease of pressure to the laws of thermodynamics.

    I do agree that UFO's do exist. Of course that does not mean UFOs are alien crewed interstellar craft. Personally I think the law of big numbers pretty much puts the argument about the existence of extra terrestrial life to bed. Not that it directly proves existence, its just that the possibility approaches 100%.
     
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    I don't doubt that extra terrestrial life exists, in fact I believe it to be a virtual certainty.

    OTOH, I do not believe that we have had interstellar alien visitors. As a sci-fi afficionado I have delighted in such stories of visitation, conquest etc. but they are firmly in the realm of fiction.
     
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    What a ludicrous argument.

    "science" for what it was worth in medieval times thru to the mid 18th century thought bleeding was the best mehtod to allow bad "vapours" to be removed from the body. As more science was practiced, such old ideas, processes, principles were replaced. this is a fundamental part of science. To anecdotally claim a particular scientific belief being replaced is somehow indicative of the invalidity of science and its methods is simply demonstrating a deep fundamental ignorance of science. In fact challenging the status quo is a fundamental aspect of all scientific inquiry.


    here's a partial list of scientists whose ideas were at first rejected only to then be accepted:

    http://amasci.com/weird/vindac.html
     
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    There are no empirical scientific evidence to prove alien exists, why so certain they exist? Are you implying the scientific method is not enough for all answers and it may not even the best method to approach truth?

    The aliens have technology to wrap or fold time/space, that's how they travel in space. Like from point A to point B, the fastest way is not a straight line, it is when you fold two points together like a string in your hands, point A and point B touch, there, the alien craft go through the two locations, no matter how vast they are, in no time. So it is highly likely that the Alien visits the earth. And that's the advanced science that our scientists have no knowledge of, therefore they can't even apply their scientific methods to prove it or not. All they do is to deny it. But it doesn't mean it's not possible. It's very possible to advanced aliens, just not us.
     
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    But in reality, not all scientists take kindly when the challenges are up. That's why we have mainstream scientists and the "heretic ones". And yes, I doubt their method. Because they simply don't know enough in many different field, espectially regarding UFOs and religion and our history. It is not the best method to find out the truth, they can't provide answers.
     

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