The saga of Trump's tax returns continues...

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  1. The Mello Guy

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    Yes America is about private emails being made public!
    Investigative journalism isn’t fascism
     
  2. The Mello Guy

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    So “taxers“ are like the president?
     
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    While true a simple search of the laws easily revealed that he would be considered a natural born citizen. So there was no need to disclose such. Besides if such were to be required then submitting it to the proper people would have been enough without the need to make it public.
     
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    So, if a State AG suspects that somebody has been committing fraud by presenting false valuations to obtain loans in that AG's State, he is not able to get access to what the taxpayer told the IRS was the real value of those assets referred to in those valuations? Huh?
     
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    As much as you folks hate Trump that would be the worst insult ever.....amirite?
     
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    Trump v Vance.....The main reason why Trump wants Barrett confirmed ASAP.

    She’s a glimmer of hope.
     
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    I really don't see the SCOTUS taking this case a second time. There is nothing unusual about the subpoena's themselves and they've already ruled Vance can proceed against the POTUS.

    But with this SCOTUS, there are no possible logical legal predictions to be made anymore.

    Sad!
     
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    Because this may not be all about the taxes themselves. They can be used to determine if he lied on his loan applications.

    Also, those are supposed to show who he's personally indebted to, which is important for all Americans to know.

    But I'm reasonably sure he lied on his taxes as well... because..... he can....
     
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    That is my opinion. The state AG must use other methods for proving the case.
     
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    As long as there are hater, DNC and TDS it always will..
     
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    Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with Federal privacy issues and the protections they provide to tax payers before you comment further.
     
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    They don’t protect you from a subpoena
     
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    That would have let Al Capone off the hook ...
     
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    Uh, Yes they do. You can't subpoena ANYONES tax returns unless you have a direct correlation to an EXISTING crime. NOBODY in law enforcement of government has the any right to get possession of your tax return just because they want to see it or use it to find a crime.

    Like I said, you should familiarize yourself with the Federal privacy act.
     
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    I don't think so. The IRS had to do an audit to determine that he was guilty of tax evasion. They certainly have and should have the power to do that. I have been audited by the IRS three times in my lifetime. I don't think Capone's returns were ever made public. If they were then I would oppose that. I would be fine with the IRS being able to testify to the crime in court. That is what they did. No need to share the numbers.
     
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    I’m confident the many courts that have ruled in favor of the subpoena are more familiar with the law than you are.
     
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    Which is why they still don't have Trumps tax return from their subpoena 3 years ago. Which is why the IRS told congress they would not comply with such subpoena and they are not held in contempt. Its also why A federal appeals court has already ruled that Trumps tax returns will not be given to congress.

    So these leftist keep going to judge after judge after judge until they find another one who will rule in their favor. Now the SCOTUS will put it to bed for good.

    I can't help it if you are unfamiliar with the Fed Privacy act but repeating media talking points doesn't change the law.
     
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    I’m talking about the state of NY....
     
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    Out of curiosity, why do you think tax returns should be uniquely immune from subpoena in a criminal investigation? No other documents, no matter how “private”, have such immunity.
     
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    Jurisdiction I would say. The IRS should have the most knowledge on all things tax. If they haven't found anything wrong, I'm not sure how some other government entity thinks that they can. Does NY state have better federal tax people than the IRS?
     
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    How many times does this have to be explained? They are not investigating whether he cheated on his federal taxes. They are looking at potential state crimes.

    I can think of no logical reason why a criminal subpoena should be able to collect all of an individual’s personal documents except tax returns.
     
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    I already explained why.
     
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    You’ve given your opinion. I’ve looked through the whole thread and can’t find any explanation by you (or anyone else) as to why tax returns should have a special status compared with every other category of documents. FFS they have to be disclosed in civil litigation. Why not under a criminal subpoena?
     
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    There is a reasonably good chance that Trump's net debts exceed his net assets and his ability to pay at any time in the future. Someone in that position is unemployable in many fields, and ought to be unemployable as president of the United States.
     
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    Strange concept as this country has huge debt and it has not stopped anyone from getting elected.
     

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