The solution is one secular state

people who come here for work are not granted citizenship, unless all the rules I listed apply.

Omar made sure that anyone that is in hijaz is expelled to north, there was a village that was near Tabuk, he didn't expel them as they weren't in hijaz, but these Jews don't exist nowadays in Saudi, its been 1400 years I'm sure they left the area to Egypt, Baghdad, or Jerusalem somewhere in history, or maybe converted to Islam.

 

Most of them left in 2003, maybe all left, the information I gave is not officially.

Do you speak of Canada or Saudi Arabia?

 

I would like to thank those who agreed with this solution.

I know that many Jews cannot even imagine turning their beloved Jewish state into a secular one.

I also know that Islamic extremists will be hard pressed to accept the fact that they will have to live side by side with their bitter enemies.

I never said that the way to creating a secular state will be with covered with roses, but it might be the only way to achieve ever lasting peace with as little bloodshed as possible.

I don't know how the discussion deviated towards KSA and Islam, but I know for a fact that Saudi Arabia has been negatively affected by the conflict, maybe more than most other countries. Wahhabis are delighted to use this conflict as an excuse to keep controlling the masses. They succeeded in convincing them that all Israel and the west is fight and kill Muslims everywhere. The conflict started in Palestine and the Wahhabis let it spread to many other countries in the name of jihad against Jews and Christians defiling Muslim holy sites.

I cannot say that Islamic extremism will end if Israel turns into a secular state but I am almost certain that they will lose their most powerful propaganda machine.

Israelis must understand that in the end, creating a Jewish state in the heart of the Arab and Islamic world is very destructive, and might fuel many wars to come. Wars where WMD might be used on both sides.

I hope Israelis will stop being selfish and clearly think about what is happening around them, and the hatred and discontent their actions have generated, which eventually led the wrong people to take control of the Arab World, and are leading it, and possibly the rest of the world, into a dark future.

 

Yes, I heard, foreign workers have almost no rights in Saudi Arabia. People from Egypt work like 12 hours a day in the hot sun in construction industry for a few dozen dollars a week. They don't complain, because if they do, they get sent back home. To work in Saudi Arabia is often still better for them, because they can support their fanilies in Egypt better this way.

Yes, this is a lot of time.

 

I'm talking about the Eastren Province of Saudi Arabia.

 

Don't these Westerners there have to do with Saudi people everyday?

 

Never said they would stop, but they would lose legitimacy. Hamas gains a lot of strength from the sense that the Palestinians are persecuted and mistreated by the Israelis. By any measures, they are. Hamas in a secular united state would lose many if not most of its arguments for recruitment and almost all of its funding as foreign funders shy away from backing an organization that suddenly is not fighting for freedom.

 

This is a valid point. Who cares for the security of Jewish population, if there should be internal fights among Palestinian groups? Will a united secular country be strong enough to do this? Do the different groups will form militias like it happened in Lebanon? Will the situation become like it was in 1948?

 

Another argument for a Jewish state is, that Jewish people have been persecuted or expelled from different countries in history.

Having a country of their own means, they don't depend on other people anymore, who govern them. This is the idea of independence.

 

I agree with you, but if the Jews are to have their own country, it should not be where Israel is now. It is moronic to put it there... simply asking for regional conflict. Israel should have been anywhere else.

 

The reconstitution of Israel is where its ancient history starts, it is where the Mothers and Fathers of ancient Israel are buried, it is where Jewish archeological artifacts are found... this is the Land of the Jews from time immemorial... where would they go but just return to their roots?

 

It is the perfect place, because it is their original country. If it was in Kenya or Madagascar, people there may argue, why is Israel in this place? It is an important place for Jewish people. It was relative suit for settlement and they were not so many people living there.

 

No, they have a gigantic compound built by Aramco, the Saudi roil company. In the compound Islamic rules don't apply and religious police can't get in, we only see them in malls and superstores.

 

I'm still waiting for the quranic verse that says Jews are the descendants of pigs and donkys.

 

Now I understand. I was working in Russia, Ukraine and Switzerland, I spent most time with local people, but things work differently in different places.

 

It was only a matter of time for your true colors to be shown.

LOL. Like I said, it was only a matter of time for your true colors to be shown. The mask of an Israel apologist always comes off in the end. Happens each and everytime. Their lies always come back to bite them in the ass in the end of the day

 

i think most of palestinians say never peace with israelis no talk with israelis .

israeli for you just death in israel

 

Normal people won't ever negotiate with their occupiers and oppressors.

 

The current inhabitants are (or were) far more important. I don't care about the fact that almost two millenia ago, there was an Israel inhabited by Jews, it has no bearing to the present day. The Jews do not deserve the land any more than the English; any claim they once had has been eroded by time into irrelevance.

 

Then we should compromise on what secularism IS?

or what kind of secularism you are talking about? So there are many kind of interpretations of secularism.

The thread says that secularism is the ONLY solution to the subject.

OK I claim that Both Israel and Plaestinian Auothrities are RATHER secular entities(If you compare them to the other states of the region),yet ıt doesnt ease the conflict or sorts the problem.

Please note that

1)I dont claim Israel or Palestinian Auothority are perfect examples of secularism.

2) Even in secular states there are some religious people OR some people or political movements will want to use religious arguments to reach their aims.

3) please give me answer what is your concept of secularism?

Do you believe in muslims or christians or jews can compromise on one kind of interpretation of secularism?(personally I dont believe in it)

and the most important thing an exported solution can not work on that kind of solutions.People and conflicts need much more time than we think ı think ıt will take some more ten years ...............

Anyways thank for your goodwill.One united world under God not realistic

 

I agree. Although as voted by Jews (with their selection of front door key), the USA is equally important, so that is an equally valid option it would appear.
And it has been recently discussed - here.

 

Oh I am hurt... such idiocy belong only in a teenager forum...
Jews have more Nobel prices than anyone on this earth.
If I have to rewrite once more why the Jews are better in every science it will take a lot of width band... Then again a person of your ilk like many I know here do not read, they only attack.

That is enough time consumed on frivolous endeavor... Have a super day, go visit your Washington Library, they tell me it has been erected for nincompoops only.

 

Have you personally won any Nobel prize? And where's the quranic verse you claimed it exist? or are you admitting that you lied by being silent?

 

What Qur'anic verse are we talking about? In relation to what pray tell...

I do write a lot on many subjects... it will be a pleasure to accomodate you.

The Qur'an has many references re the Jews... Which one shall I quote?

 

Exactly, a one state solution for the Palestinians would just be the pretext of a new holocaust, one which they failed to carry out many times over the decennia.