The Trump/Putin Alliance

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  1. PeppermintTwist

    PeppermintTwist Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And to think that so many died storming the beaches of Normandy to fight against what Trump represents so that you could support a traitor to the USA in The White House. What a shame!
     
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  2. Sandy Shanks

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    Republican Senate nominee Corey Stewart (Va.) was interrupted by audience laughter during a debate on Saturday after saying President Trump “stands up” to Russia.

    “We have a president who is standing up to the Russians,” Stewart said.

    He was met by loud laughter from both the audience and his opponent.

    https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1020909889583902721
     
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    Russia has a GDP the size of New Jersey. Last Monday, that did not bother Trump who was busy kowtowing to the communist dictator of Russia.

    Trump succeeded in one clear, if unannounced, objective: to Make Russia Great Again.

    Trump’s summit in Helsinki with Russian President Vladimir Putin went a long way toward achieving Putin’s most cherished goal, which is to return his vast and complicated nation to the exalted geopolitical status it long enjoyed as part of the Soviet Union.

    Thank you, Mr. President.
     
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    The whole world is bored by the hypocrisy of the left and the constant whining.
     
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    Obama gave it to him first and he didn't blow up the system. dude. For one thing he can't, for another dump the flipping hyperbole.
     
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    Never happened. Russia still isn't great as long as it is an oligarchy it pretty much can't be. Putin knows it most Russians know - hell they've known it for centuries. Russia has been the Rodney Dangerfield of countries for centuries minus the humor of course. One of the Reasons Putin's leadership style reminds me so much of Peter the Great.
     
  7. Sandy Shanks

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    You speak, but you don't say anything.

    You make the foolish decision that all Trump's critics are on the left. I guess you are assuming that Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Trey Gowdy, Lindsay Graham, Will Hurd and several other Republican members of congress are all members of the left. All have been critical of Trump recently.

    Put a different way, you don't make much sense.
     
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    You may be right.

    If that is the case, though, why was Trump dominated by Putin in that news conference last Monday? We are the lone superpower on Earth. It should have been the other way around.

    Please don't insult my intelligence and tell me Trump was not subservient to Putin. I have a record of Trump's treasonous statements.
     
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  9. garyd

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    He wasn't he simply gave Putin the stage for reasons of his own. You're reading things into that that aren't there because it fits the narrative you have already established within your own mind set.
     
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    I see. It is all a figment of my imagination. I am in good company.

    "President Trump must clarify his statements in Helsinki on our intelligence system and Putin. It is the most serious mistake of his presidency and must be corrected—-immediately." Newt Gingrich

    “The Russians are not our friends. I’ve said that repeatedly, I say it again today. And I have complete confidence in our intelligence community and the findings that they have announced.” Mitch McConnell

    "There is no question that Russia interfered in our election and continues attempts to undermine democracy here and around the world. That is not just the finding of the American intelligence community but also the House Committee on Intelligence," Paul Ryan.

    "This is bizarre and flat-out wrong. The United States is not to blame. America wants a good relationship with the Russian people but Vladimir Putin and his thugs are responsible for Soviet-style aggression. When the President plays these moral equivalence games, he gives Putin a propaganda win he desperately needs." Sen. Ben Sasse, Republican from Nebraska

    "I am confident former CIA Director and current Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, DNI Dan Coats, Ambassador Nikki Haley, FBI Director Chris Wray, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and others will be able to communicate to the President it is possible to conclude Russia interfered with our election in 2016 without delegitimizing his electoral success," Rep. Trey Gowdy, a South Carolina Republican.

    I could go on, but you get my point. Feel a little silly?
     
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    Trump already did.
     
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    Huh? Did what?
     
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    Did stat that he meant wouldn't rather than would, that he holds Putin responsible for the interference.
     
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    “They [American intelligence] said, ‘I think it is Russia.’ I have President Putin. He just said it is not Russia. I will say this: I do not see any reason why it would be. I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial.

    So, Trump adds "n't" and says that changes everything. His sentence now becomes "I do not see any reason why it wouldn't be." Does that sentence make sense to you?

    Look on the bright side. You're batting a thousand. You've managed to be wrong every time.
     
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    I watched SecState Mike Pompeo being grilled by the Senate Foreign Relations committee. Pompeo has a tough job. He has to square American foreign policy with what the President says. He did as good a job as could be expected under the circumstances because Trump often undermines American foreign policy. I made three conclusions based on what I heard.

    The state department strongly agrees with our intell agencies that Russia interfered in our election. Trump strongly disagrees with our intell agencies. This is his last word on the subject. "A disgrace to America," Trump's tweeted. "They should drop the discredited Mueller Witch Hunt now!"

    In formulating American foreign policy, the President is totally ignored. One example, Pompeo looks forward to more tough Russian sanctions passed by Congress. Trump has not imposed all the sanctions in a bill he signed into law nearly a year ago.

    Pompeo tried hard to cover it up, but he has no idea what took place in that two hour private meeting between Trump and Putin. Trump hasn't told him squat. SecDef James Mattis, NSA John Bolton, DNI Dan Coats, and, of course, the chiefs of staff are equally clueless as to what agreements were made ... if any agreements were made. All we have is what the Russian state media is telling us because -- to fully illustrate Trump's brilliance -- there is no transcript of the meeting, no American record of what took place. Worse, we will never know. If Trump hasn't told his closest advisors by now, he never will. Why?
     
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    Sure you are WRONG trump has already said twice the that A. he meant to say wouldn't and that B he holds Putin personally responsible for interference. What more do you want trump to do? Kbee Putin in the balls?
     
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    All this has happened in the past two weeks alone:

    • Trump meets with Russian President Vladimir Putin in a summit in Finland, spending more than two hours alone with him (except for translators), discussing who knows what.
    • Trump tells the crowd at a Veterans of Foreign Wars convention that "what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening."
    • A secretly-recorded conversation between Trump and his longtime fixer, Michael Cohen, is revealed. In the tape, the two men discuss the possibility of buying the rights to the story of Karen McDougal, a former Playboy model who alleged an affair with Trump in the mid-2000s. Months after the conversation, Trump's campaign denied that they knew anything about the McDougal payment.
    • Trump invited Putin to a second summit seemingly on the spur of the moment last week, only to postpone the summit until after the 2018 elections after Russia failed to respond.
    • The White House bans a CNN reporter --Kaitlan Collins -- from attending an announcement in the Rose Garden because the Trump administration didn't like that she asked questions, as the pool reporter, during an earlier photo spray.
    • Trump appears before an audience of 4,000 veterans who took an oath to defend democracy and told them the real enemy of the American people is the free press.
    Putin is pleased. He picked a good man.
     
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    Not another TDS thread.
     
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    Were you really serious when you said that? He meant to say, "I do not see any reason why it wouldn't be." That's ridiculous and you fell for another con. Trump on Monday said exactly what he meant to say and got caught. The White House is still trying to recover from that disastrous meeting, and Trump throwing up red herrings all over the place.

    Even if one accepts the addition of "n't" that does erase the other treasonous remarks.

    This is Trump's last word on the subject. He said it Sunday. "So President Obama knew about Russia before the Election," Trump tweeted. "Why didn't he do something about it? Why didn't he tell our campaign? Because it is all a big hoax, that's why, and he thought Crooked Hillary was going to win!!!"

    Does that sound like he holds Putin personally responsible for interference? He still believes Putin when he says Russia had nothing to do with it.
     
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    TDS? What did I get wrong? Be specific.
     
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    The hoax of course is the collusion nonsense why is it so hard for you to understand that. You are being defrauded by the very media you trust so deeply. That and your desperate search for a reason to detest the man who is making a mockery of all you thought you knew.
     
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    Why should anyone bother? It's impossible to reach you through your walls.


    Here's some classic Trump; to lighten the mood:

     
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    Trump did not say that. He said, "So President Obama knew about Russia before the Election. Why didn't he do something about it? Why didn't he tell our campaign?"

    It is obvious to anyone not a blindly loyal Trump fan, that Trump is talking about Russian interference in our election. Are you suggesting that Trump was critical of Obama because he didn't do anything about his campaign's collusion? That is ridiculous.

    Why is it so hard for you to understand that?

    You don't know that collaboration is nonsense. Mueller has yet to speak.
     
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    Trump often puts his subordinates in very difficult positions.

    Trump requested and received a two hour secret meeting with Putin. Since only the Russians have a record of the meeting, many in Congress and elsewhere are very concerned. SecState Mike Pompeo was grilled about this in a recent public hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Pompeo did his best to cover it up, but it was readily apparent Trump did not trust his SecState enough to tell what had transpired during that meeting. His boss had put Pompeo in a very difficult position and he lost his temper and his patience often.

    Trump's tariffs started a trade war, and the farmers are being hurt, badly. Trump told farmers Wednesday, “And the farmers will be the biggest beneficiary. Watch. We’re opening up markets. You watch what’s going to happen. Just be a little patient.” Since Trump hasn't signed a trade deal yet in the 18 months he has been President, Trump seems to be asking a lot. In the meantime, Trump is suggesting a $12B bailout for farmers, only Secretary Steven Mnuchin does not like the word "bailout."

    REPORTER: "Mr. Secretary, a lot of people are confused because you're bailing out some farmers from your own policies."
    MNUCHIN: "We're not bailing out any farmers. That's --"
    REPORTER: "Twelve billion dollars is not a bailout?"
    MNUCHIN: "-- that's a ridiculous comment. This is not a bailout. What we're doing here is --"
    REPORTER: "What is it, if it's not a bailout?" [crosstalk]
    MNUCHIN: "To the extent that other countries unfairly and illegally target our farmers we will stand up and fight for them. This is not a bailout, this is reciprocal -- again, we want free and fair reciprocal trade, and that's what we're fighting for.

    Clearly, that is a distinction without a difference. Trump put his treasury secretary in a very difficult position. He wants "free and fair reciprocal trade" through the use of tariffs? That is an oxymoron only Trump could come up with.

    Trump didn't like the questions the pool reporter, CNN reporter Kaitlan Collins, asked earlier. He kicked her out of the Rose Garden news conference that followed. White House communications official Bill Shine pushed back on reports that he "banned" Collins from a Rose Garden event, calling on reporters to ask her if the word "ban" was ever used.

    "You ask her if we ever used the word 'ban,'" Shine said to reporters outside the White House early Thursday.

    Shine was asked what word he used instead, but did not answer directly.

    "When you ask her if we ever use the word 'ban,' then I will answer that," he said, and that was his final word on the subject.

    Once again, Trump placed his subordinate in very difficult position. Following on the heals of Trump's statement that the free press was the real enemy of the people, barring the pool reporter may have been Shine's worst nightmare. "Ban," "bar," "kicked out," and "disinvite" all mean the same thing. Again, a distinction without a difference.

    In defending Trump, his supporters, as in the case of Mnuchin and Shine, are often forced to use only semantics because Trump's actions are so deplorable.
     
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    Yes in that sentence he is clearly talking about Obama's lack luster performance against Russian Interference. And your point would be?
     

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