The Truth About Race and Intelligence

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Define “black” because many people with Spanish heritage have African genes. Are Indian people “black”? What about Pacific Islanders ? The rest of the above is Stormfront ***** - free of any true meaning or worth
     
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    In today's economy intelligence matters far more than athletic ability.
     
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    Lols! A test designed for and by middle aged middle income Rural Americans.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel...asurement can be as low as about three points.
     
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    By "blacks" I refer to the race that evolved in sub Saharan Africa. I also call them "Negroes." Throughout the world there is a positive correlation between intelligence and light skin. This is because cold climates select genetically for both.

    I established a profile on Storm Front to see how long it would take them to ban me. I was banned at the end of two weeks for pointing out that one of Hitler's accusations against German Jews, which he wrote in Mein Kampf, was factually incorrect.
     
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    Yep! Which is why it is so good that there is no measurable difference in iq among the “races”

    BTW - no such thing as “race”
     
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    Oh! Bulltwang! There is no “correlation” because there is no such thing as “race”.
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/
     
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    There is no such thing as “race”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_...onsensus across,genetic code with one another.
     
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    In his essay "The Inequality Taboo," Charles Murray mentions an interesting experiment. 3,636 subjects were asked to identify their race. They were also asked to donate a tissue sample for DNA analysis. Those doing DNA testing did not know which race those giving the samples said they belonged to. Nevertheless, they agreed 99.9% of the time. This experiment has been performed several times with the same results.

    https://www.aei.org/articles/the-inequality-taboo/

    Once we acknowledge the genetic reality of race it becomes appropriate to look for the genetic reasons for average but durable racial differences in intelligence, as well as criminal and sexual behavior between the races.

    Scientific truth is not determined by majority opinion, but by repeatable experiments.
     
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    Ooooh! A made up picture from 4chan! Be still my beating heart! And and and, a blog (wheee!) from 2005 espousing a discredited “theory” by a certified whacko

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Murray_(political_scientist)

    Now how about providing actual factual information to back allegations that there is such a thing as “race”.
     
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    Yes, he had no answer for that. I have told him, many times, his belief in "race realism" pseudoscience is rationalizing his admitted racism. It gives a rational veneer to his emotional bias against Blacks who, he says, have mistreated him in the past. Arguing with him is much like trying to argue Bible inconsistencies with a fundamentalist, where belief outweighs reality because they need that belief, but I still do because there are people on here who are sympathetic to his views.
     
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    Charles Murray presents scientific evidence for his assertions. Scientific truth is not determined by the consensus of presumed experts, but by repeated experiments and verifiable evidence.

    Those with extensive experience with East Asians, whites, Hispanics, and Negroes know that what Charles Murray says is true.

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    Intelligence — the ability to learn, reason and solve problems — is at the forefront of behavioural genetic research. Intelligence is highly heritable and predicts important educational, occupational and health outcomes better than any other trait. Recent genome-wide association studies have successfully identified inherited genome sequence differences that account for 20% of the 50% heritability of intelligence.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5985927/

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    Those who maintain that the assertions of Charles Murray are invalid need to devise a method of significantly and permanently raising the intelligence of children who test poorly for IQ at the age of seven.

    No method has been developed. I am confident that no method will be developed. I am also confident that when high IQ genes are discovered it will also be discovered that whites and East Asians are more likely to have them than Negroes.
     
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    If you notice he is quoting old, very old literature - from a person who has been thoroughly discredited
     
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    How has he been discredited? Where is there evidence of innate racial equality?
     
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    Congrats - you actually quoted some research - pity it says nothing about those genetic factors being tied to “race”
     
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    Jeeeze even Wiki says he is discredited as I pointed out earlier

    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/charles-murray

    https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/20...murray-race-iq-sam-harris-science-free-speech

    What Murray and you do is completely fail to provide evidence - especially recent evidence and given the ongoing mapping of the human genome there should have, by now, found evidence
     
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    There is no recent evidence in favor of innate average racial intelligence. Charles Murray has been denounced; he has not been disproved.
     
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    As soon as we acknowledge the importance in genetic differences in determining differences in intelligence, it follows logically that average racial differences in intelligence are genetically determined.
     
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    It is ridiculous to maintain that intelligent tests do not correlate with success in the world. It is equally ridiculous to maintain that they mean anything qualitative about a person or group.
     
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    I went to grade school with a boy in my class who wasn't the brightest or had any discernable talent but his father had the alcohol distributorship for the city which made a lot of money. That boy owns the company now. My brother-in-law is near genius level. He knows most historical facts, he can quote dialogue from TV shows he saw growing up, he reads constantly and retains it. He can do that because he has worked the night shift as a security guard for the past 20 plus years,
    In other words, there are other factors unrelated to IQ.
     
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    Oh! He has been disproved by the very fact that there is no genetic evidence of racial disparity plus - who, besides you, have even heard of this TWONK? You are defending someone who has been sidelined by other members of his field. He has been debunked and has never won back that position
     
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    When and how was Charles Murray debunked?

    The truth of Murray's thesis can be seen by the fact that no method has been devised to significantly and permanently raise the intelligence of children who score poorly on IQ tests at the age of seven.

    The truth of Murray's thesis can also be seen by the fact that the race gap in average intelligence between blacks and whites persists, despite expensive efforts to close it.
     
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    There are no trials or court judgements - what it goes on is weight of evidence and where is the current evidence? The world has moved on because he HAS been sidelined. Plus I do wish you would actually read the links I post

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

    As I have said again and again - even bloody Wiki debunks it!


    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/the-real-problem-with-charles-murray-and-the-bell-curve/

    And let’s look closer at the linked critique above

     
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    Most importantly

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    There are blacks above the Sahara. That sub saharan garbage is for racists.
     
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    As soon as you aknowledge that is wack, the better off you will be.
     

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