The Truth About Race and Intelligence

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  1. Conservative Democrat

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    https://www.bitchute.com/video/tfhj94g6Anl4/

    Jared Taylor made one assertion I will contest:

    “In all that vast area south of the Sahara, before outsiders arrived… No one domesticated an animal or built a two-story house.”

    In what is now Zimbabwe a city existed prior to the coming of the whites that is called “Great Zimbabwe.” The inhabitants of this city, who were certainly Negroes, built two story stone buildings that still exist. They domesticated cattle, and practiced international trade.

    Great Zimbabwe.

    Nevertheless, Great Zimbabwe does not compare with cities created by Caucasians and East Asians in Egypt, Europe, and Asia. Great Zimbabwe does compare with the Aztec and Inca civilizations created by American Indians in the Americas. The inhabitants of Great Zimbabwe do not seem to have developed systems of writing and mathematics, as the Mayans did. Mayan writing and mathematics were adopted by the Aztecs. Jared Taylor acknowledges that systems of writing and mathematics were developed by the Nubians and the Ethiopians, who were, and in the case of Ethiopians are, Negros.

    Jared Taylor suggests that all blacks hate whites. I have had good relations with too many blacks to agree.

    There are two more factors we should keep in mind when evaluating Jared Taylor’s video. First, he is discussing tendencies, and averages, not absolute differences. He readily acknowledges that there are intelligent Negroes, some of whom are even more intelligent than he is.

    The second factor was discussed by Charles Murray. In the afterward to his The Bell Curve, which was added in 1996, he writes on page 554:

    “If intelligence plays an important role in determining how well one does in life, and intelligence is conferred on a person through a combination of genetic and environmental factors over which that person has no control (as we argue in the book) the most obvious political implication is that we need a Rawlsian equalitarian state, compensating the less advantaged for the unfair allocation of intellectual gifts.”

    Such an allocation can – and in my opinion should – be achieved with a high minimum wage, strong labor unions, and a well financed public sector of the economy paid for by steeply progressive taxation.

    I believe that as far as possible income should be determined by hard work, honesty, and common decency, rather than factors over which people have no control.

    Beginning with the inauguration of President Franklin Roosevelt in 1933 the Democrat Party has tried to achieve such an economy. This is why I vote Democrat, despite several Democrat stands I disagree with.

    I do not want blacks to be discriminated in favor of with affirmative action policies. I do not want them to be discriminated against either. This is why I do not regret the civil rights legislation passed during the 1960’s. I do regret the fact that Jared Taylor and others of like mind have faced persecution and suppression. The freedom I most value is intellectual freedom. That is why I appreciate the Political Forum.
     
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    Intelligence is not the only factor in success in life - and I say that as someone with a degree in mathematics and a career in financial management. Black people are over-represented in sport and the arts, where their contributions are considerable. As for this:
    "...achieved with a high minimum wage, strong labor unions, and a well financed public sector of the economy paid for by steeply progressive taxation"
    well, you have an economic system which is the exact opposite and unlikely to change, so good luck with that.
    It's probably best not to highlight differences in intelligence.
     
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    The black contribution to high culture is minimal.

    During the late 1960's and early 1970's soul music portrayed illegitimacy as a social problem and a personal tragedy.



    Soul music extolled romantic love and unrequited love.



    Rap music, which has replaced soul music, is about gun violence and raw, animal lust. It is what happens when blacks no longer feel the need to emulate whites.
     
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    Well, if you don't like Black music that's certainly your choice. As for gun violence, that's just as much a white problem as black in your country.
    I suppose we could discuss the success that Asian and Jewish people have achieved in the US. According to the some studies, Asians have an average IQ of 105, 5% higher than white people, and that is reflected in college attendance and higher salaries for Asian people. You can look at the high proportion of Jewish people who succeed in America, and indeed at their success in the science and maths Nobel awards. If you want to consider racial differences in intelligence then white people are inferior to both these groups. But you probably don't want to hear that.
    As I said, racial differences in intelligence are best avoided.
     
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    I am well aware of the high IQ averages of East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews. I admire them for those and other reasons.
     
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    Always found it amusing when Murray and his Bell Curve book was labeled as white supremacy when he found the East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews scored on average higher than whites.
     
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    Not so in the music of popular culture in the US. Helped make American music great.
     
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    Anti racists would rather dismiss race realism with insults and name calling, than study it and find what it is really about.
    For me real music is classical music. Everything else is entertainment.
     
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    Thats why I distinguished "popular" culture as opposed to "high" culture, which I guessed to be European "classical" music. I can appreciate classical music, with its structure and precision but prefer to be entertained.
     
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    Yes, there are many ways to measure "success in life" that are not a measure of intelligence like wealth, popularity, financial security, met goals, happiness or the number of progeny you leave behind with your DNA. Whatever you subjectively value most. It is possible for the most intelligent to be the most miserable.
     
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    It is best for a man to be middle-wise,
    Not over cunning of clever:
    The learned man whose lore is deep
    Is seldom happy at heart.

    - from "The Words of the High One," The Elder Edda, translated by Paul B. Taylor & W.H. Auden
     
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    Any demonstrable difference between groups of the human race are not major and individuals of any group rise to as high an I.Q; as any other group. The problem for our species is not intelligence, it is that strata of the population that has significant intelligence yet lacks significant empathy. That is unrelated to gender, "race", ethnicity or even ideology. "Normal" people are unequipped to deal with and control the crafty socio/psycho-paths who rise to power without scruples or inhibitions about using everyone else.
     
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    The Nubians and Ethiopians may be ancestral to some modern Greeks who carry haplogroup E-V13 that is originally from East Africa, where its ancestral E-V78 is common. There are cultural connections between ancient Greece and the Horn of Africa as well. In ancient Greek mythology and The Histories of Herodotus, Ethiopia was described as a truly special and unique place.



    Sudanese HLA Mediterranean background
    Our present study shows that Sudanese population is related to Mediterraneans like Turks (who are genetically Mediterraneans except because of an Asian “elite” imposed language18), Egyptians, Iranians, Algerians, Italians and Iberians. This is concordant with other North African, Middle East and Iberian HLA compilation study31 by using another methodology (high-resolution HLA typing). On the other hand, Greeks were found initially close to Sahel populations (Rimaibe, Mossi, Oromo, Amhara); it disconcerted us, and an allele-by-allele comparison was carried out between Greeks and Sub-Saharans to finally show that they both share some HLA alleles in common, confirming our phylogenetic results5,16.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-40173-x

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    Yes, most popular music comes from Black folks. Ragtime, Rock N Roll, the Blues, Jazz, Gospel, Country, Rap. It all has roots in Black America.
     
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    I've always thought Africans must have some special brain capacity for intuitive musical rhythm and what they call intuitive wisdom--a wisdom that doesn't involve surface-level conscious thinking.
    Certainly West Africans tend to be well-endowed in several physical respects.
     
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    If blacks had not lived in the United States I think American popular music would have been inspired by Celtic music, and that it would have been beautiful. Rap music is ugly and morally depraved. It is about raw, animal sex and gun violence. Rap music is what Negroes create when they no longer feel the need to emulate whites.
     
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    Negroes used to compose and sing music like this:



    Can you imagine rap music about unrequited love? I can't either. "Just My Imagination" is the kind of music Negroes created when they tried to emulate whites. They no longer feel the need to emulate us. Now they are responding to instincts that enabled their ancestors to thrive in the tribal environments of sub Saharan Africa.
     
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    edna kawabata, I have known too many blacks I liked to hate the entire race. I have had too many experiences with black criminals to have illusions about the black race. Black criminals have mugged me, robbed me at gunpoint, and nearly murdered me. A young black man threw a cherry bomb at me. This gave me a case of tinnitus - ringing in the ears. There is no cure for tinnitus. It gets worse with age.

    Whites have never committed crimes against me. East Asians have never committed crimes against me. Hispanics have never committed crimes against me.
     
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    Nepal is made up of a population of South Asians, it also has an average IQ of 43, which is moderately retarded. You are saying that is a country of the retarded, because the IQ test is an accurate and the only measure of intelligence.
     
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    That explains your bias against Blacks. It's emotional and you have rationalized it with pseudoscience.
     
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    It has made me receptive to the following facts about Negroes. There is nothing "psuedo" about these facts.

    U.S. DOJ Statistics on Race and Ethnicity of Violent Crime Perpetrators
    Loaded on JUNE 1, 2021 by Matthew Clarke published in Prison Legal News June, 2021, page 62
    Filed under: Statistics/Trends. Location: United States of America.
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    by Matt Clarke

    In a January 2021 statistical brief, the U.S. Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics addressed the issue of the race and ethnicity of perpetrators of violent crimes in 2018.

    Based on data compiled by the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) program, it found that while Black people make up 13% of the U.S. population, they were 33% of persons arrested for non-fatal violent crime (NVC), which includes rape, robbery, aggravated assault, and other assaults. Black people were 36% of those arrested for serious non-fatal violent crimes (SNVC), including rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

    https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/new...ace-and-ethnicity-violent-crime-perpetrators/

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    Race and crime in the United States

    According to the FBI 2019 Uniform Crime Report, African-Americans accounted for 55.9% of all homicide offenders in 2019, with whites 41.1%...

    The per-capita offending rate for African-Americans was roughly eight times higher than that of whites...

    According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in 2008, black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery...

    According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than the opposite.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_... offending rate,their victim rate was similar.
     
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    And let's repeat.....pseudoscience is the belief that Blacks are genetically inferior. They are genetically less intelligent, prone to crime and therefore eugenics should be back in style.

    So you have nothing in response.
     
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    I did respond.

    I never said "Blacks are genetically inferior."

    That asserts that all blacks are genetically inferior. It begs the question: What do we mean by "inferior?"

    Blacks tend to be good at certain sports. There may be a few Negroes who have less talent for playing basketball than I do. They were never in my gym classes in high school. Blacks were not in the college prep courses I took either.

    What I maintained and documented is that Negroes have murder rates nearly eight times the white rate, and "According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than the opposite."

    I am in favor of eugenics. Computer technology and automation are eliminating the better paying jobs that can be learned by people with IQ's below 100. Unfortunately, People with IQ's below 100 have more children who reach adulthood than people with IQ's above 100. If current trends continue a growing percentage of people will be congenitally unemployable.

     
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