The White People Who Need Proof of Racism

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  1. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    School is free. If they can't study and do homework because they can't see the value, and if their own community won't promote achievement among their own, they are the reason they remain in poverty.

    Hard work, even in the worst of schools can result in escape from povery. It is their job to get out, not mine.

    Guess what, success takes hard work. Who knew?
     
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    How does local school funding work again?
     
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    Public school systems, Detroit for example, draw funds from property taxes. Then they spend $14,000 a year, per student, to produce one of the countrys worst records of academic achievement, and pitiful graduation rates. Homeowners flee the dysfunctional districts, revenues decline, and deficit spending ensues. Good teachers flee the broken schools, leaving the blind to lead the blind ... at $14,000 a pop.
     
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    Immigration has been going on since humans could walk.
    How about whites aren't procreating at a high enough rate.
     
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    Then you're too lazy to be on a debate sub discussing complex issues.

    It's not my fault you're too lazy to read a short explanatory article.

    Yes; lack of evidence as opposed to no evidence one way or another.

    There's a difference therefore between believing in unicorns and arbitrarily deciding to believe a random claim.

    Right back at you. It's a positive claim to believe the correlation between criminality and fatherless homes is high.

    Prove it or ****.
     
  6. squidward

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    How does studying work again?
     
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    I'll happily read it if you post the pertinent information. But if I have to do homework for you to make your argument, tough luck for your argument.


    Lack of evidence is no evidence.

    I doubt unsupported claims that sound far fetched or that are presented by someone with heavy bias that they aren't aware of.



    I didn't say it wasn't a positive claim. I said I didn't see any value in supporting it for this argument.

    I'll take the four astirsk option.

    I don't see any gain in proving it to you.
     
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    Massive millions flooding a territory, deluging a native population hasn't been going on forever - especially under the title "immigration." They were always invasions, which is why they involve demographic displacement and the destruction of the previous society along with its culture, images, and laws.

    Is there a specific reason why white procreation - and not border control - is the only acceptable solution to you? Are white folks not allowed to control their borders?

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    Maybe not called immigration but migration and conquering.

    As for the childish question on procreation or border control. Not worth an answer.
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    Only destructive species, like locusts, will spawn until all their habitats resources are expended. Migration becomes a matter of survival. If the invasive species isn't contained the blight spreads. Nature teaches many lessons.
     
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    usually with a full stomach, a quiet place, and supportive environment.
     
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    or by doing just doing it. Many a scholar studied by candle light and went to bed hungry over the year.

    It's really neat that you think blacks can't overcome a little adversity if they put their minds to it. But I'm sure they appreciate your condescension.
     
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    Most of what you're calling 'racism' is just cultural stereotyping. For example, most white people who dislike blacks actually dislike urban 'thug' culture and lazily/innaccurately stereotype most/all blacks into that culture. The skin color/genetic heritage is just a 'describer' that they use to seperate the groups in their mind. They're more accurately stupid, lazy, unintellectual 'culturists' as opposed to actual racists.
     
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    Anyone can provide a 'supportive environment'. Someone living in a damned car can provide it, if sufficiently determined. It's free, and requires no specific education or prior experience. All it takes is the determination to take your child's education seriously.

    Are you saying that certain ethnicities in America just don't care about their kids' education?
     
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    Anyone can provide a 'supportive environment'. Someone living in a damned car can provide it, if sufficiently determined. It's free, and requires no specific education or prior experience. All it takes is the determination to take your child's education seriously.

    Are you saying that certain ethnicities in America just don't care about their kids' education?
     
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    This isn't true. Studies have been done in this regard, and the reactions (of white people) to non-whites who present well is on par with their reaction to whites who present well.

    "Present well" in this case means having the appearance and language suggestive of education and financial security, and who are comfortable in the company of people of all colours. In other words, a black lawyer in a suit won't frighten white folk.

    Anecdotally, all you need do is consider how many 'racist' conservative white folk have non-white doctors, and have great respect for them.
     
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    No I'm saying that lower economic levels exhibit far more stress factors that the including violent crime make such sufficient determination beyond the reach of way too many decent human beings just trying to survive.

    that's just a fact of Human nature being what it is an all.

    BTW Here's some other fun facts I just ran across about poverty and victimization. Seems poor white people be a tad more violent that them coloreds.
    Surprising no?

    https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137
     
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    but it isn't a fact for many many Asians who arrived in the west VERY poor (after the Indo-Chinese unpleasantness). they managed to both stay away from crime, and make sure their kids were educated out of poverty in a single generation.
     
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    which Indo chinese unpleasantness? been a couple.
     
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    i think he is.
    Now we are responsible for their motivation too.
     
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    Thats what I was saying. When minorities 'present well', the sterotype is usually abandonned, either because the 'racist' (culturist) has some intellectual integrity or as a 'reward' for assimilating.
     
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    double stawman. beauty eh?
     
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    you should learn what a straw man is
     
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    A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informalfallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacyis said to be "attacking a straw man".
     
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    Whatever racism you imagine exists (it doesn't ... hence the failure of white hillbillies to view all non-whites as equally problematic), is 'abandoned' when culture aligns - or is at the very least, complimentary. Because it's about culture, not race.

    I know dark skinned Buddhist monks who live an entirely alien life here in the west, from their robes and bare feet, to their language, customs, communal living, religion, etc etc etc. Yet they rarely (if ever) experience any kind of racism or opposition, and certainly are not feared. While their culture is clearly not ours, it's complimentary. It doesn't work in opposition, and they value the same things we value. Hard work, clean living, education, honesty, dignity, equality, non-violence, law-abiding, etc etc.
     

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