'There have to be CONSEQUENCES:' Judge BOOSTS Jan 6 Rioter's SENTENCE

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Yet she sentenced him for wanting to overthrow the government. Overturned on appeal.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Correction agreed. Yes, an armed race baited police leader did in fact shoot and kill an unarmed female participant.
     
  3. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    I just wanted to thank you for the correction. I don't know how I got bad information.

    ATTENTION: MISTAKE IN THE OP-- SENTENCE WAS ONLY 45 DAYS IN JAIL.

    From WaPo:
    <SNIP>
    After a defense lawyer asked for probation, and a federal prosecutor suggested three months of home confinement for a Jan. 6 rioter convicted of illegally demonstrating at the U.S. Capitol, a federal judge on Monday said no to both. If the defendant “walks away with probation and a slap on the wrist,” U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan said, “that’s not going to deter anyone from trying what he did again.

    So Chutkan sentenced Matthew C. Mazzocco to
    45 days in jail, 60 hours of community service and $500 restitution for the damage done to the Capitol building. Of 11 defendants sentenced so far, Mazzocco is the first to receive a jail term when prosecutors had not asked for one.
    <End SNIP>

    This seems like a very reasonable sentence, IMO, in order, as the judge noted, to send a message of deterrence to future, non-serious, dabblers in insurrection.

    My apologies, to all, for my original, inaccurate info.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, he probably should face some amount of prison time, but 8 months seems excessive.

    I do agree that the backdrop should be considered, but simply entering the capitol building while a mob was entering it without permission, and while visiting hours are closed, and snapping some pictures, is not enough to warrant 8 months in prison.

    20 days to 2 months in prison would have been more justified.

    I don't even think this man entered any space that is not normally open to visitors.

    It is not a stretch to suspect this judge of political bias.

    Of course judges will try to shroud their decisions in logical justifications.
     
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  5. Egoboy

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    I 100% agree.. I didnt hear of a single death on the 9th..
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    Was this guy charged and convicted with overthrowing the government or attempting to? Has the FBI said it was an attempt to overthrow the government?
     
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    Doesn't apply when the comparison is apt, i.e., I am comparing the prison sentences of people who rose up against the government. Godwin's law would apply if, for example, we were discussing abortion, and I compared the aborted fetuses to the Nazi Holocaust (which I've had someone do), which is completely out of place in the conversation.
    FYI.
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    This thread is about sentencing of an offender from January 6th. My OP makes no claims about any other protests.
     
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    Yeah.

    That is Exactly WHY the Judge sentenced him to 45 Days in JAIL!

    Obviously, you didn't even read the Article linked in the OP.:bored:

    That seems to be Endemic in this thread.

    In general, people would be well-advised to read the linked article before commenting.
    ^Just a friendly reminder.
     
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    Maybe you didn't read.

    This is from the opening post...

    The article says that two other non-violent Capitol rioters received a sentence of 45 days in prison.
     
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  11. Andrew Jackson

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    WRONG!
    Where did you get that misinformation from?
    Do you have a link?

    Once again:
    He was sentenced for a Misdemeanor (which he pled guilty to).
     
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  12. ToughTalk

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    If she was trying to be somewhere where she shouldn't be I have no sympathy. I hold no bias to anyone rioting or causing chaos. That being said...antifa and blm rioters were bailed out by hollywood elite with a slap on the wrist. So I don't see why the same shouldn't be allowed with these rioters. As that seems to be the standard
     
  13. Andrew Jackson

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    Yeah.

    And, the OP Admitted that was Misinformation (and apologized for the error).

    Post #56:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ioters-sentence.592900/page-3#post-1072984309

    It is always a good idea to read the entire thread before commenting.

    Also, once again, you admit that you didn't even read the OP Link (before your initial comment).
    Not a good look.:bored::smh:
     
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    Hmm.. Democrats and Prosecutors who are democrats have been telling us now for years that trespassing, even BE, larceny, et al aren't crimes. Why did a black police Lieutenant shoot her again?
     
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    Huh?

    From the OP Linked Artucle:

    The government recommended three months of home confinement and probation for Mazzocco in part because he was among the first rioters to plead guilty. But according to BuzzFeed News, Chutkan said that home confinement does not “reflect the seriousness of the crime,” so she sentenced him to 45 days in prison.

    Btw--It was actually JAIL.
     
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    It does seem excessive to fine him for damage done to the capitol building when there is no evidence that he personally caused any damage.
     
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    Bob Newhart said:
    Yep, mostly peaceful

    I just wanted to reproduce this ironic arrangement of quotes that appear naturally, in the thread. The first is your post #15, referring to people who claim BLM protests were mostly peaceful (which, overall, they were; though there were some exceptions). Beneath it is your earlier line, quoted for post #16 (by drluggit). Though you had been saying this sarcastically, about BLM rallies, it is actually a claim more often put forward by apologists for January 6th. In fact, Moolk, in post #3, made just that contention about the Capitol riot, showing that your statement about propaganda applies toward issues, beyond the one it had been directed.
     
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    I quoted her, get up to speed.
     
  19. Bluesguy

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    Then you missed the one that did occur? Shall I search back?
     
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    So what?:bored:

    That DOESN'T Prove your assertion that:

    "she sentenced him for wanting to overthrow the government"

    He was sentenced for a Misdemeanor.

    Get up to speed and Get Real!

    I deal in Reality.
    Not Fabricated Mischadacterizations.
     
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    I guess I did... search away and show your work...
     
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    to yes that's the hypocrisy I keep talking about
     
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    The lie, "mostly peaceful protest," is most frequently, & notably, used as propaganda, to deny the January 6th uprising/riot. I have seen no one claiming that BLM protesters, arrested for vandalism, destruction of property, theft, assault, or anything else, should not be prosecuted. And if one did receive a comparable sentence* to the Jan. 6th defendant of this thread, I highly doubt we would see the kind of reaction we are witnessing here, in which so many portray this as some inexplicable campaign against the Trump fold, or engage in such extreme whataboutism, that one would think BLM violence was the thread's subject, because the events of 1/6 are completely ignored.


    *Note that I have posted a correction. The sentence was actually for only 45 days in jail. But I don't suppose you see that as any more acceptable?
     
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    Agreed that individuals should be held criminally-accountable for violating the law... while we watch looters and rioters who caused billions in property damage (including to federal property) just get to "sit at home on the couch."
     
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    How about for all the looters and arsonists who caused billions in property damage... including federal property. Many of them will never even be charged.
     

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