'There have to be CONSEQUENCES:' Judge BOOSTS Jan 6 Rioter's SENTENCE

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‘There Have to Be Consequences:’ Judge Boosts Jan. 6 Rioter’s Sentence from Home Confinement to Prison

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ro...entencing-january-6-capitol-riot-1236619/amp/
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Although federal prosecutors recommended home confinement for Capitol rioter Matthew Mazzocco, a judge went with a harsher sentence and is sending him to prison instead.

“There have to be consequences for participating in an attempted violent overthrow of the government, beyond sitting at home,” U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan said in court Monday.

This is the first time a judge has overruled the government’s sentencing recommendation and given a more severe sentence in a case involving the insurrection...
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The judge said that if all people get is probation and a slap on the wrist, that will not be a deterrent for anyone else trying this. Anyone who knows history, must commend her sentiment. Hitler's first attempt at seizing power in a putsch, led to only a relatively short jail sentence. The seed of the Palestinian - Israeli problems, begins with the British High Commissioner of Palestine, Herbert Samuel, pardoning an anti-Zionist leader of the 1920 Nebi Musa riots, Amin al-Husseini, from a 10 year prison sentence and installing him, instead, in the powerful, religious position of Grand Mufti of Jerusalem*-- but let me wrap up my OP, before giving more of those details, which are really extraneous to this thread.

Mr. Mazzocco had not been a violent participant in the events of January 6th. He'd entered the Capitol Building, but not taken or destroyed any property, according to prosecutors. He snapped what they characterized as looking like vacation photos. They had recommended 18 months of home confinement (which I imagine might have still allowed him out to go to work, and the like), followed by probation.

Instead, the judge sentenced him to 8 months in prison. I'm sure this must seem harsh, to him; and it seems so, to me as well, based on his individual actions. But the judge, and some prosecutors, have pointed to the backdrop, here, as adding weight to all the offenses. To some extent, all must take some responsibility for this group action. This is a well-grounded part of the law; someone who is merely driving the car, can be convicted of a murder, committed by his co-conspirator passenger.

And, we cannot forget the message that is being sent, by all the light sentences, thus far. So I think the sentence only seems tough, relative to the others we've seen. Eight months in prison-- hopefully a low to medium security one-- is not beyond the pale for what Mazzocco participated in which, whether or not he thought of it as such, was a threat to our very system of government. I glanced another article, written a few days before this verdict, that said we should expect tougher sentences on the way; here we go:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...-plan-for-jail-sentences-prosecutor-says/amp/

So this seems like a good question to throw to those who read, and may wish to reply to, this thread. Will more "serious," sentences help to snap people out of the idea many still hold, that January 6th was no big deal? Or is it too late for that, except for those who actually get sentenced?




*Back to al-Husseini. The elevation to Grand Mufti, which was a religious position, for which al-Husseini was not at all qualified, greatly raised his profile, & gave al-Husseini a prestigious platform, with wide access. So it had not been unforseeable, that this former revolter would become the dominant voice for Palestinians. And it is certainly unsurprising that he remained staunchly anti-Zionist, as Britain was planning on creating a Jewish state.

In 1936, al-Husseini was a principal leader of a Palestinian Revolt (which forced him to flee Palestine, the following year). I'll let Britannica take over for a bit.

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The rebellion forced Britain to make substantial concessions to Arab demands in 1939. The British abandoned the idea of establishing Palestine as a Jewish state, and, while Jewish immigration was to continue for another five years, it was thereafter to depend on Arab consent. Husseini, however, felt that the concessions did not go far enough, and he repudiated the new policy.
Husseini spent most of World War II (1939–45) in Germany, where he issued broadcasts urging revolt in the Arab world and endeavoured to halt Jewish emigration to Palestine from countries occupied by the Nazis. At the war’s end he fled to Egypt, where he directed an increasingly weak and fragmented Arab Higher Committee from exile.
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Long story short, the British offered a deal to the Palestinians that would have split the area, IIRC, evenly between Jews & Palestinians, giving them their own state. But when Palestinians voted on the deal-- which had, I believe, majority support, initially, yet-- due to the urging of al-Husseini, in his broadcasts, they rejected the best deal that they would ever get. And this was way back, before these many, many decades of bloodshed and dire poverty, for the still nationless Palestinians. What the hell could Samuel have been thinking!?

 

Cue "they were invited there and it was mostly peaceful." while they clutch the pearls.

Five Capitol police officers are dead and hundreds injured in the wake of this <whatever the hell they want to call it>.

Kudos to this judge. Need more of them on the bench.

 

Who cares, still no insurrection charges (because it never was attempted) and ultimately it was objectively mostly peaceful.

And most officers that are dead commited "suicide".

Because apparently the riot, which has been occurring all over the nation for years was allegedly to much for them.

 

The denial is unreal. Take a look at another thread in Current Events, that has people describing an AZ young person, following Sen. Kyrsten Sinema into a public restroom while she was trying to express her opinion, as worse than Jan. 6th! And it's not just those you'd expect; I saw at least one, in the center, who seems to have bought into all this talk that it was no different from BLM protests or, apparently, all part of the same spectrum that includes talking to a politician while she's behind a bathroom stall, while recording it on your phone. It's a wonder she didn't call 9-1-1 <sarcasm>.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-bathroom-stall.592856/page-2#post-1072981858

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-bathroom-stall.592856/page-3#post-1072982397

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-bathroom-stall.592856/page-3#post-1072982380

 

Your, "objectively mostly peaceful," is not an objective assessment at all. At the very least, that is highly debatable, and the majority of Americans, I'm sure, would reject your appraisal.

Further, still, from the truth, is your closing contention: nothing like that riot has been going on, "all over the nation for years." If you think so, you clearly have not seen the tapes of January 6th. I challenge you to present ONE single video of a recent riot, that is on par with this one, at the Capitol. It's location, BTW, is extremely relevant to even why it occurred; and it is the answer to the sentiment of your opening question, "who cares?" That is, because this threat was directed against our government, is why we all should care.

Should I have elaborated more on the history of Germany, instead of Palestine?

 

Prison is too light a sentence imo

 

Well.....the next step is execution, and I sure will never support that...ever.

But, I am glad that this Judge acted. S/he is quite right. There must be a very loud message sent by way of deterrent.

Ultimately, I am confident you blokes will sort it all out......who were the Instigators, Leaders, Lieutenants etc and who were mere cannon fodder. Surely Uncle Sam is good for that, yes?

 

Well this post is a flaming pile of poop.

I guess many people here think that flaming poop on their doorstep is a gift.

You'all are implying that 5 police officers were killed that day by the protestors which did not happen. But it does show that lies are a basis for what many people here believe.

 

Godwin's law.

 

Shame this didn't happen in Massachusets. Evidently, none of what was described as "crimes" would be prosecuted there, because trespassing, BE, etc aren't prosecution able anymore. Has anyone seen any of the arrests/prosecutions of the violent BLM protesters in the District come up yet?

 

Why try to spread an obvious lie? Not ONE police officer was killed in the line of duty 0106. Not one. Why spread the lie that there were?

This is why leftists can't be taken seriously. This is the kind of lie that folks at FB, Twitter, et al allow to exist absent any censorship.

 

Yep, mostly peaceful.

 

And yet they did. And here you are defending the lie that poster posted. Why is that? Why can't you stop yourself from propagating the same lie? Directing a threat at another poster seems actionable.

 

Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.

 

Leftists have prosecutors now who entirely ignore these kinds of crimes committed by their little armies of discontent. And they entirely ignored all the insurrection that occurred in DC when it was their team.

 

Radicals 101 for sure. This I believe, is what Jen Psaki tries to do. That little red lying hood has some mad lying skills....

 

Awesome, I agree with the judge.

 

Look, Godwin's law only says that the theory that as an online discussion progresses, it becomes inevitable that someone or something will eventually be compared to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis, regardless of the original topic.
I does NOT mean that any comparison to Nazis and Naziism at all is invariably wrong. Quite a few are inevitable themselves

 

That post was accurate... I suggest you deal somehow...

 

DOJ is working up the list of perps. The judge is well within his right to increase or decrease the sentence(s) as he sees fit.

 

Consequences track back to responsibility. The Insurrectionists are responsible for their own behavior. Their defenders have been claiming, basically, that they didn’t do what they did. Now, a judge is affirming that actions have consequences and people are responsible for their actions.

 

I'm fine with it but I do wish others rioting and those trying to set federal courthouses would be prosecuted. When we turn a blind eye to lawlessness it leads to the ignorance of Jan 6th. This group watched rioters take over and destroy of blocks in Seattle, they watched wackos trying to firebomb and attacking officers at a federal building in Portland. All these characters were deemed free and clear so obviously this will lead to more of this type of behavior. Prosecute them all and sentence them all according to the law, real simple.

 

agree with the judge, 8 months in prison seems reasonable - that is a light sentence

 

How was that post accurate? No one died. period. Suggesting anything else is a lie. So, why post it?

 

Can't wait to see the sentences from the BLM insurrections then.