There is a time to kill. Keep abortion legal.

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  1. WAN

    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think fetuses exist...they are inside the womb of every pregnant woman. Did you really need this pointed out to you?
    The fetus IS human. It's not "potential" human. Thought question: what is the fetus, if not human life? Is it human death, or is it animal life?

    Insulting another poster in against the rules. If you cannot argue like a civilized human then you should probably keep your mouth shut.
     
  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Inconvenience is about right, a rather grave one, meaning it might kill you, but yeh, an inconvenience. It has no rights because it's not human, the very thing you call it yourself, the "unborn" says it best. As a human being, it's unborn, it doesn't exist.

    Hey, you want to protect the rights of all the "unborn", how about all those "unborn" who were never even conceived because the girl refused to have sex with you? Whaddaya mean that's silly? The twinkle in my eye is a "potential" human being as much as the fetus is.

    Let's arrest every woman who shuts you down, I'm beginning to like this idea. :roll:
     
  3. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it shows you really do not care at all about "life" and would gladly eliminate those you find INCONVENIENT.....


    Thank you for continually proving that so-called "Pro-Lifers" don't really care at all about life....

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    Heck, they don't care at all if it's a life they find inconvenient......what total hypocrites :)
     
  4. RiseAgainst

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    I'm not eleminating anybody. Trump is president and Dems are killing their own.

    It's a good time to be an American!
     
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    With these words, I fully agree.

    In war, for instance.

    But is it ever justifiable to kill--some would say murder--an innocent human being?
     
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    People who say abortion is not murder do so to excuse the murder they support. So let's be clear, abortion is homicide. The question is, is it wrong? Well, I support abortion only if a doctor makes the determination that it is necissary to save the mother's life. The mother.... If the fetus is not a baby, why do we say mother? A Freudian slip often over looked by pro choice advocates.
     
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    Uh hun yeah and Beethoven's mom probably didn't want a thirteenth kid either. A lot of people hate jews do we kill them next? How about African Americans or Maybe them damn Swiss bankers ought to be next on your hit list. It took nearly six years for us to adopt my daughter murder of the unborn was a significant cause for that delay. Had those 55millionpeople not benn murdered maybe we'd already have a cure for cancer or have working fusion power or any nuber f other wonders. You go ahead and be glass half empty man. I'll take the one that's half full.
     
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    No late term abortion unless the mother is in danger. Otherwise abort as many kids as we can. The last thing we need are more poor people having Children creating more poor people who have more children.


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  9. FoxHastings

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    It's done in war all the time.....
     
  10. FoxHastings

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    No, Pro-Choice advocates frequently correct those who call a pregnant woman "mother". No one is a mother until they give birth.

    A fetus is not a person so can't be "murdered".

    Abortion is a legal medical procedure so it can't be "murder".
     
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    So we should force women to give birth to make you feel good?

    No, you have to have a better reason to deny over half the population of their rights.


    BTW, you don't seem to mind really bad people being born....or do you just ignore those?
     
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    So how many good people are you willing to murder to avoid one bad one? You like the idea expressed in the MOvie "Minority Report". what about the rights of the 55 million dead. Since when is there a right to murder people just because they seem trouble some to you?
     
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    I'm sorry you were turned down so much. Hopefully you finally found someone to say yes.
     
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    Yes, I am aware of that. So we actually agree on almost all abortions.

    In many states late-term abortion is illegal except in case of emergencies. However in some they are still legal and rare even without emergencies. They should be illegal in the entire US except in the case of emergencies.


    How does being in the womb mean you don't have rights? If I put you in a womb would that make your human rights disappear magically? How does leaving the womb magically christen you with right?

    I understand that forcing a woman to continue a pregnancy is a violation of her body. But allowing her to have the abortion is the killing of a human person. What is worse, killing a person or forcing a person to not do something with her body?

    Another thing to consider is that in late-term abortion she isn't going to have to carry the baby much longer anyway and aborting a well developed fetus is a major medical operation all in itself, and she can easily give it up for adoption, so aborting it doesn't help her that much, and is the the killing of a person.
     
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    Why don't you ask those "Pro-Lifers" in here who say they are fine with aborting Democrats?


    Abortion is not murder.

    HOW EXACTLY do you tell a "bad" fetus from a "good" fetus ????????????????



    Here's the part you can't face:

    So we should force women to give birth to make you feel good?

    No, you have to have a better reason to deny over half the population of their rights.

    WHO are you to tell women they must please you by giving birth???
     
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    WHERE are ELECTIVE late term abortions legal in the US?

    Do you really think that normal women go through 8 1/2 months of the "joy" of pregnancy just for the "fun" of having an abortion?

    You sure don't think much of women !!!!!!!!


    ....and you think even if a woman may die giving birth she should just so her kid can be put up for adoption!!!

    You sure don't think much of women!!!!
     
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    Exactly so you can't. A dead human being is a dead human being in the womb or out of the womb makes no more difference that in the living room or in the dining room.
     
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    This is exactly what the pro-choice crowd advocates. To murder innocent human beings.

    I agree with everything you have said. You are a truly independent thinker.

    You are dodging his question. I will post it again: How does being in the womb mean you don't have rights? If I put you in a womb would that make your human rights disappear magically? How does leaving the womb magically christen you with right?

    You also failed to answer my question. It is similar to his question. Namely, what magical power does the vagina possess that it can transmute an entity that doesn't have rights, into one that does?
     
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    THey don't have rights because we say so. So kill away. That is the only justification needed
     
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    There are 18,000 late-term abortions every year, equivalent to the death toll of nine 9/11 attacks every year. Late term abortion for non-emergency reasons is actually legal in many states and women have late-term abortion for many reasons rather than just the life of the mother. Your view of late-term abortions are simplistic at best.
    https://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/5314/2263/5869/PP._ABORTION_AFTER_THE_FIRST_TRIMESTER.pdf

    And I believe that abortion to save the life of the mother should be legal. So I have a question. Do you believe that late-term abortions for no medical reason at all should be legal in your state?
     
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    Could you explain what this post of yours has to do with the post of mine you quoted?
     
  23. FoxHastings

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    Being in the womb means you are not a BORN person so you have no rights.....it's a law....if you hate laws, well, there's nothing I can do about that.


    The vagina possesses no magical power, did you think magical power exists!!!??

    No, it's the woman who possesses ALL the power to decide if the fetus lives or not and that is really what bugs you :)
     
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    Then why does a baby have rights but a fetus doesn't? The only difference between them is that one has been passed through the vagina and the other hasn't.
     
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    YOU couldn't answer: WHERE are ELECTIVE late term abortions legal in the US?


    I believe there should be no restrictions although the COMPROMISE of protecting the fetus after 24 weeks is fine with me.

    Canada doesn't have abortion laws and Canadian women don't endure the "joys" of pregnancy just for the "fun" of having an abortion at 8 1/2 months.

    Did you think they did!!!!!!????

    Oh, and Canada's abortion rate is about the same or slightly lower than ours....:)
     

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