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There is no such thing as Freedom of Religion

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by TheNightFly, May 31, 2017.

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  1. jgoins

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    Are you trying to say there is no racism or bigotry in the black community??????
     
    jgoins, Jul 12, 2017
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    Once again the bigots try to shift the blame for their bigotry away from themselves!
     
    Derideo_Te, Jul 12, 2017
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  3. jgoins

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    No shifting here I have on multiple occasions stated that I am a bigot. Why is it ok for minorities to be bigots and racists but not for white people?
     
    jgoins, Jul 12, 2017
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    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    BINGO
     
    Statistikhengst, Jul 15, 2017
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    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    Where do you get this worthless junk? It's not ok for any person to be a bigot or a racist.

    Geez.
     
    Statistikhengst, Jul 15, 2017
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    You're still way off base. Freedom of religion, as we all know it means that a individual has the right to worship as they see fit. So, you're really not making much sense, or you completely miss the point of what freedom of religion means.
     
    Liberty4Ransom, Jul 15, 2017
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    But you never hear anyone calling a black person a bigot or a racist.
     
    jgoins, Jul 15, 2017
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    TheNightFly said: ↑
    Well I agree. But my claim isn't that freedom of religion makes religion social captivity, it's that freedom of religion is a bunk concept because religion doesn't allow freedom of belief.

    Freedom of religion means you have the right to choose no religion if that is your desire. It does not give you the right to force you beliefs on anyone else either. If someone chooses to believe in a religion they have that right because of freedom of religion but so many today are trying to change that to freedom from religion which would force people to give up their religion, I think this is what you want.
     
    jgoins, Jul 15, 2017
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    Bigots and racists do accuse blacks of being bigots and racists which is "blaming the victim".
     
    Derideo_Te, Jul 16, 2017
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    What utter nonsense!

    Prove that anyone is being "forced" to "give up their religion".
     
    Derideo_Te, Jul 16, 2017
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    Not right now but if freedom of religion is changed to freedom from religion it could happen. Was TheNightFly not trying to persuade people to give up their religion?
     
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    jgoins, Jul 16, 2017
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    More nonsense!

    Onus is entirely on YOU to prove that the term "freedom" means "force"!


    FTR "persuading" someone is what religions do all the time but somehow it is "wrong" when the persuasion goes the other way

    :roflol:
     
    Derideo_Te, Jul 17, 2017
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    It really doesn't matter if religion allows freedom or not, the simple fact of the matter is that "freedom of religion" means you are free to choose any religion to believe in. You are equally free to choose not to believe in any religion if you want as well. The only thing this insures is that the government will not force you to believe in any specific religion.
     
    jgoins, Jul 17, 2017
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    :roflol:

    You just negated your own position and proved mine!
     
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    The post that started all this was to thenightfly.

    TheNightFly said: ↑
    Well I agree. But my claim isn't that freedom of religion makes religion social captivity, it's that freedom of religion is a bunk concept because religion doesn't allow freedom of belief.
    My response to his post.
    Freedom of religion means you have the right to choose no religion if that is your desire. It does not give you the right to force you beliefs on anyone else either. If someone chooses to believe in a religion they have that right because of freedom of religion but so many today are trying to change that to freedom from religion which would force people to give up their religion, I think this is what you want.

    I was just trying to draw out his desire to rid the world of religion The freedom from religion would be their attempt to make others give up religion.
     
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    No it doesn't. People who want the freedom not to be religious don't give two hoots what the others believe.
     
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    You forgot to put something after "It's not ok for any person to be a bigot or a racist, because..."

    If you have no clue why, then you might be a bigot, too.
     
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    Except there are some on here who do care what the others believe. They do have the right to not be religious they just don't have the right to interfere with others rights.
     
    jgoins, Jul 17, 2017
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    Uhm, no. I don't need to write a disclaimer as to why. It should be obvious to every grown up in the room.
    Are you a grown-up, or not?
     
    Statistikhengst, Jul 18, 2017
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    Being a racist or a bigot is no big deal, it's when you act on those ideas that it becomes a problem.
     
    jgoins, Jul 18, 2017
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    Interesting way of looking at it and indeed, thoughts are free and not punishable, nor should they be. But what in the world does this say about the twisted mindset of people who actually think that "being" a racist or bigot is no big deal. The whole idea is based on the wholly false premise that entire groups of people are inferior to others based solely on the color of their skin.

    That is sick.
     
    Statistikhengst, Jul 19, 2017
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    Explaining statements isn't a disclaimer. You stated that it's not okay for any person to be a racist or a bigot.

    Why not?

    and no, I'm not a grown up. I'm a guy.
     
    Belch, Jul 19, 2017
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    You obviously know less than nothing about Hinduism if you don't know the basic foundational belief is in the Trimurti, of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva, and that there are hundreds of gods and goddesses in Hinduism, of which the most venerated is Ganesha, the elephant-headed god.
     
    xwsmithx, Jul 19, 2017
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    Please double check Brahmana which states that Vishnu is pantheistic, ie he is all the Gods in one.
     
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    I have been a racist bigot my entire life and have never caused harm to anyone. At one point was asked to join the KKK but refused because of their actions. My racism is not based solely on skin color but their actions as well. The N word some use for blacks, I also use to describe some whites as well or anyone who believes whites owe blacks something because of slavery. There are a lot more racists than one would believe because they keep it to themselves. There are racists in every race as well but the ones that get the most attention are the white racists, why is that?
     
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