Time to Get Real About Ukraine

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  1. Jack Hays

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    The Russians will be introduced to a type of mobile combined arms warfare they have not yet experienced in this war.
     
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    I can hardly wait to see your dismay when the Nokrainiums get decimated ..... again! :frustrated:
     
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    “He had the calm confidence of a Christian with four aces.”

    Mark Twain
     
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    All games, jokes, and animosity aside Ukraine's got as much chance of surviving this war as a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
     
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    On the contrary, it's likely Zelensky will toast Putin's fall.
     
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    You don't believe that and I know you don't believe that.
     
  7. Jack Hays

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    Ah, but I do.
     
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    I'm not falling for it.
     
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    I really don't care.

    It's Not Enough for Ukraine to Win. Russia Has to Lose.

    The Atlantic
    https://www.theatlantic.com › ideas › archive › 2023/05



    May 19, 2023 — Russian defeat does not require a march on Moscow (rarely a good idea in the past), and it does not require a Russia that is defenseless and ...

    Nearly All Ukrainians Believe They'll Defeat Russia

    Wilson Center
    https://www.wilsoncenter.org › blog-post › nearly-all-...



    Apr 4, 2023 — In a recent poll, 97 percent of Ukrainians said they believe Ukraine will “definitely” or “likely” win the war against Russia.

    Milley Says Ukraine Has Leadership, Morale to Beat Russia

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    Apr 21, 2023 — Milley said the Russian president thought he would have an easy time invading Ukraine, toppling its government and incorporating the sovereign ...
     
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    If that were true you wouldn't have made this reply.
     
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    How long do we have to wait on this list?
     
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    You just made my day. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
     
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    it is the ONLY thing relevant right now. That is why you don't want to discuss it.
     
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    It is your lack of logic on the subject that makes the discussion irrelevant. It's the way it's being worded that has Americans in a stupor, "The US was going to remove those missiles anyway because they were outdated". This is a lie in its context, or should I say it's a typical CIA intentional lack of context. The keyword is "remove" where "replace" is the proper term. But by saying "remove" the CIA has its countrymen patting themselves on the back and coo-ing believing that Krustjev forcing Kennedy's bluff was no victory at all. They don't understand the real issue. But you bought the crow ... so you eat it. :knifefork:
     
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    More nonsense.
     
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    Tell that to the Belgorod regional governor.
    "Anti-Russian fighters attacked at least 10 villages in Russia’s Belgorod region on Monday with heavy shelling, its governor said, in the latest sign of escalating cross-border fighting . . . "
     
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    Utter nonsense.
     
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    As the article states, who cares, and this issue does not even exist. Seems like you could be accused of spreading Russian propaganda or just don't understand culturally what these symbols stand for.

    Even if they are far right and promote nazi ideology does it really matter, they are fighting for your pleasure and their country killing orcs right?
     
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    ". . . Ukraine has worked for years through legislation and military restructuring to contain a fringe far-right movement whose members proudly wear symbols steeped in Nazi history and espouse views hostile to leftists, LGBTQ movements and ethnic minorities. But some members of these groups have been fighting Russia since the Kremlin illegally annexed part of the Crimea region of Ukraine in 2014 and are now part of the broader military structure. Some are regarded as national heroes, even as the far-right remains marginalized politically. . . .

    Russian soldiers in Ukraine have also been seen wearing Nazi-style patches, underscoring how complicated interpreting these symbols can be in a region steeped in Soviet and German history. . . .

    Today, as a new generation fights against Russian occupation, many Ukrainians see the war as a continuation of the struggle for independence during and immediately after World War II. Symbols such as the flag associated with the Ukrainian Insurgent Army and the Galizien patch have become emblems of anti-Russian resistance and national pride. . . . "
     
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    The article offers a nuanced discussion. It is the opposite of propaganda.
     
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