Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world

I’m looking at deaths per million of population.

 

Then Sweden is still doing poorly and China did spectacularly.

 

Why stick so rigidly to that one indicator? Anyway, Sweden is doing poorly on that too.

 

Great news. Here in the US, we have boatloads of idiots who prefer "freedom" and don't care about a "few" deaths, because, "freedom to hug and kiss people." I have a huge case of the sad. Best of luck to you and congrats for not living in a world of partisan idiots.

 

You believe the numbers coming out of China who is responsible for all the deaths outside of China ???

 

Yeah, the 'muh freedumz' crowd are really outdoing themselves at the moment. It was always sort of obvious that a philosophy built largely around selfishness isn't great for a society, but it becomes brutally obvious during a pandemic. The tragedy is that for many of them the consequences of their behaviour will fall on others & possibly never be traceable to them - so the whole 'take the consequences of the action' idea falls apart too.

There is a great deal I like about America, sometimes pretty passionately, but I am so very glad I live in a nation with universal healthcare, a decent social safety net & political leaders who can at least pretend to care about their nation for extended periods of time. Good luck my friend, you may need it.

 

While "herd immunity" will indeed, eventually, slow down the escalating growth of the virus (and is one of the main reasons the numbers in some previous hot spots slowing down), relying on 'herd immunity' alone would be foolish. And unsustainable.

The UK wanted to follow that track and had to switch gears once their numbers began to rise steadily, with the UK having nearly 3,000 deaths from the virus over a very short time and reporting a steadily increasing number of new deaths each day (550+ each of the past couple of days). And Sweden will likely change course too, as their 'new deaths' have been rising significantly recently. In fact, for a relatively small country with a relatively small population (around 10 million), the fact that Sweden reported 69 new deaths yesterday and 59 the day before, should be considered a major red flag.

 

They are doing comparably with many first world countries including the UK and Holland.

 

Yeah, I gave up the whole, " I was born here so that makes it the best ever," thinking, a long time ago. There are many things that make my country great. There are many things that make it sub-optimal. 'Tis the way with all things; good and bad. Right now, the bad is sending us in a hole....

 

More on Italian deaths originally attributed to COVID 19. If the Italian findings are at all representative the number of deaths caused directly by COVID 19 might be only ~ 10% of the figures being reported. Co morbidity is what is killing people. Dr. Stephan Smith is finding that those patients who are pre diabetic, diabetic, and obese are at great risk. It appears that not only do we not know the denominator, but we don't really know the numerator either. If the Italian percentage is representative why are we not investigating that and if so why are we shutting down the country for death rates ~ 10% of what is being reported.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/23...0vDvUDQZ9ABInaxRv3tJG-rW1LqJRKuvnhD_2BA9TUdsl

 

Nice attempt at a dodge. Can't defend your position so you try to make it about China.

OK, lets pick some nations with more transparent reporting systems. Australia has 1 deaths per million, Sth Korea has 3, Israel has 4, Canada has 5, Norway has 9, Germany has 13, the US & Austria have 18 and Portugal has 20. I know that most of those nations have locked down, and I'd bet all or most of the rest have too.

Sweden has 30 per million. If you want to declare that a success then I have to assume you are either not very good with numbers or you are pushing some sort of agenda. Neither makes for a very worthwhile discussion.

 

And terribly compared with an even longer list of first world nations.

 

No dodge - proven fact. Red China is responsible for the corona virus getting out of China and infecting citizens of the world killing tens of thousands of them.

And many countries which are locked down have higher rates than Sweden.

But as the Italians are now reporting after reclassifying their death data the actual death rates directly attributable to the corona virus is ~ 10% of what they initially reported. Each and every country should be doing that to determine what the percentage of reported corona deaths are actually the result of pre existing conditions. Only then can the actual deaths be determined and compared.

 

Given various issues, such as when the virus began truly spreading in noticeable enough numbers and other things, the best comparison between Sweden would be Norway. Unlike Sweden, Norway has employed the kind of measures being employed elsewhere in Europe. And the best indicator of where each of them are heading is the new deaths being reported.

The past couple of days, Norway has reported 5 and 6 new deaths; Sweden has reported 59 and 69 new deaths. That is not twice Norway's numbers (which you would expect based on their respective populations), but ten times!

 

But better than France, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, and Belgium. Plus based on what has been determined in Italy the death rates directly attributed to corona may be much smaller than reported.

 

And how many of all deaths reported are directly attributable to corona and not to serious underlying health issues ??

 

I'll sum it up thusly: As Stat once said: The virus is everywhere. And people ARE going to die from it. This brings me back to where I was originally with this: We can continue "flattening the curve", and we're going to be behind the 8 ball, for a long duration of time. As the more new cases and deaths are outpacing recoveries right now(for some odd reason.)

Or, we can find a way to aim for the herd immunity, and put as less restraint as possible on the hospitals. Because to be blunt: Human society>Hospitals. We will live beyond Covid-19 and the Coronavirus. The question is, what will we live to. If we really do want to return to normal, a gradual phasing seems to be smart and allowing people to return to work.

 

You are just incapable of engaging with any information that doesn't tell you precisely what you want to hear. That particular virus seems widespread on this website. I've wasted enough of my time proving you wrong.

 

You can try to spin the issue as you wish, but let me say this and be done with you:

1- Someone with diabetes, high blood pressure, a smoker or ex-smoker, or some "underlying health issue", who wasn't already dying, and wasn't expected to die imminently or anytime that soon, has died because of the new Coronavirus. Not because of their "underlying" health condition.
2- The border-line cases, where an otherwise seriously ill person facing an immediately life threatening condition even without being stricken by the virus, ends up dead because of further complications caused by the Coronavirus are cases that can be legitimately re-classified (much lower ratio/numbers than you want to suggest) but those numbers are proportionally (with respect to the new Coronavirus) far less than they are for the flu. If you want to take out those cases from the list of deaths attributed to the Coronavirus, then make sure you do the same for the flu before you compare numbers.
3- I have no basis to imagine that, proportionally, the numbers in Norway and Sweden that could be classified or reclassified on the basis you want would be any different. But the comparison between Norway and Sweden will tell you the direction of things between those who employ social distancing and those who don't. And that was the issue and not what you want to use to divert and deflect from your earlier point.
4- You can play with the statistics all you want. The rest of the world and almost all the governments of all stripe, are following a different direction than you prefer for a reason. Without the social distancing measures being employed, there would not be much left from either their economy, their health care systems, or even a large proportion of their population, due to this virus.

 

But if it can be determined which preconditions lead to the deaths (and they have been determined) those people can be isolated whilst the remaining population restarts the economy. If the Italian data is representative the actual COVID 19 deaths are significantly less than the totals reported.

That is what Sweden is doing. That’s why Swedish data is very important.

 

There is no spin to the Italian reclassification. That information can be used to identify and protect those more susceptible and to put them on a prophylactic regimen of medications such as hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc phosphate. That applies whether we shut down the economy or not.

 

Beginning on 3/10 the Total Cases have been doubling each week. If this continues at this rate we will be looking at 2 million by Easter Friday!

Beginning on 3/16 the Total Deaths have been doubling about every 6 days. If this continues at this rate we will be looking at 100,000 by Easter Friday!

The numbers above put the world on track for 32 million total cases and 1.6 million total deaths by 5/8.

The US is currently 25% of Total Cases so it is now IMPERATIVE that we flatten the curve by all means necessary.

 

That has got to be the best graphic representation of the virus and it's impact I have seen to date.

It drives home what is happening in a way that cannot be ignored by anyone.

 

TMI, Stat!

SCNR!

 

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