Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world

Indeed.

 

Why did you bring up an ideology like that? Economic systems and ideologies are not the same thing. And why did you single out Liberalism, as if it is something evil? Do you think that only "Liberals" complain about the upper 1%? Really? And what would that have to do with COVID-19?

 

So, PFers, I wish you all a good night. Sleep well when your time comes.

 

That chart is somewhat encouraging in that the line plotted as the U.S. w/out New York matches the line of the U.S. (more than the U.S. trending along with New York alone). New York's numbers are finally seeing a steady fall so that is good news. The bad news of course is that the list of states which started getting infections later than New York still have rising numbers of infections, which is keeping the trend on a plateau.

All the states are working on a contact tracing plan. It's part of the federal 3-Phase plan. Expanded testing gives us more ability to contact trace, which is where we flopped early on when the first CDC test failed and community spread started happening. We never stopped contact tracing where we are able to do it, but "community spread" is defined as not being able to identify the source. Some of that may be unavoidable.

Contact tracing is easier in small communities than in large, dense cities. The county to the north of Austin has a town which has become the "holding tank", or isolation center where they are sending all the infected nursing home residents for recovery once released from the hospital.

I'm pretty impressed with the detail level on their reporting cases as "travel", "contract tracing" or "community spread".

Supposedly, all cities are supposed to be working on improving their contact tracing plans, but I'm not sure that can happen in larger populations now that the genie is out of the bottle.

This is Williamson County, north of Austin. You see the break down of whether they were able to trace cases or not. Also, the tallest bar on the far lower-right reflects mostly people from Austin nursing homes who have been sent from the hospital to one facility in Round Rock. More than half the cases there have recovered.

 

Are you crazy, cut down on Beer and Cigs, what is next no Whisky ?
What's wrong with a nice cheeseburger ?

 

That is what they've told us to expect. We may have to do a little dance of two steps forward one step back for a while.

The plan for the country breaks the country down geographically to the county-level detail. As Dr. Birx said, they are looking at the virus like a bunch of mini-epidemics rather than a one-size-fits-all analysis and solution for the country. Going forward they're readying to mobilize resources to these mini-epidemics as they happen. It's more like several wildfires going on at the same time versus the entire country burning down all at once. The entire country isn't on fire. As we stomp out some fires, some others will ignite in different locations. This is going to be a long ride, but not for everyone all at one time.

 

Sometimes, they are. In this instance, I suspect the facts are that most people over 65 are going to avoid situations where they might become infected and this means there's going to be a huge hole in consumer demand if COVID-19 is stalking the land. This means, too, we're going to have a recession and facing hard times will mean layoffs and increased savings. The only way out of this thing is beating down the virus.

You better hope what you suggest isn't "the best we can offer" because it will almost guarantee we have a recession far worse than we had in 2008-2009.

The "new normal" you're talking about could be a depression.

Let's get on with suppressing the virus, take the medicine across the entire country, so we can get to a point where we're testing, tracing, isolating, and protecting with PPE.

I'm not optimistic if Trump doesn't begin to lead because covidiots and people driven out of their isolation in search of food will keep transmission going. If we want to stop the virus, we have to do whatever we must to get the transmission rate down. If we don't stop COVID-19, we're going to wreck the economy.

 

This not good, Colorado Data.
24 and now 25, huge spikes. 25th the highest ever, 687 new cases. Colorado had leveled out and now goes kaboom, two days in a row.
Luckily my area the 4 corners is stabile.
Me wonders how much those protest at the East Slope have to do with this unbelievable spike.

https://covid19.colorado.gov/data/case-data

I live close to one of the top notch mountain bike trail heads in the world, Bogy Draw, the traffic today was just insane. So I took a look. The parking lot packed, people standing in large crowds. No distancing at all, shaking hands, slapping on the back, hugs the whole fooking 9 yards.
All I could say, oh shiiiiiit

 

I fully expect a major depression worse than the 1930's if we wait too long to get people back to work. We have already entered a recession. You are correct that even with reopening, there will be a lot of seniors and people with immune-compromised conditions who won't be spending money out socially as they used to....and they need to stay home (while the majority of the people get back to work so we don't dig a deeper hole economically).

Protecting the elderly and the vulnerable was the point of the exercise. The 3-Phase plan suggests that those people continue to stay home.

Several people on this thread keep making suggestions which are already included in the federal plan, indicating that they haven't read the plan and seem to want to suggest that we have no plan.

We have a plan. Here is the plan:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/

 

We need action. There are 2m people in our prisons, countless numbers of homeless, millions in care homes, many millions more working in close quarters on the job, and on and on.

Too soon in most cases because we don't have in place the ability to test, trace, isolate, and protect workers and customers. We need to train barbers, hair stylists, manicurists, etc. and their customers before they reopen in cities.

 

Colorado numbers started spiking well before the protests. It takes at least a couple of weeks for a major crowd to start off a spurt of new cases. You may just be seeing the spike as a result of tourists at Telluride from the ski season.

You can't keep extroverts at home. People are more isolated and safer sitting at jobs for 8 eight hours than they are with too much time on their hands to drink, party and socialize.

Traffic only noticeably dropped off here for about half a week. Now all those people are driving around to wherever they're going instead of being at their jobs. They sure don't seem to be sitting at home.

My boss is an extrovert. Week before last, he booked a 5 day, 4 night hotel stay in Denver for the first week of June. I told him that Denver is a rising hot spot for the virus right now and it was probably a dangerous trip. He was just giddy that round-trip nonstop airfare cost less than $40 and the hotel rooms were cheap. I suggested there was a reason for that. People are going to do what people do.

 

In a sane world, the authorities would roll up to the parking lot and tell people to leave the area. Nasty fines would be assessed to those who did not.

 

Thank you for that link. It seems like a good plan to me. Have we started the clock on any of the criteria points, yet?

 

So sayeth our orthodox economist.

Actually the government could finance the entire economy, without borrowing the money, in lock down for as long as it takes to get rid of covid-19. That's obvious.

Besides, who needs tattoo parlors, nail salons, trinket shops, junk food outlets, propping up pub bars etc etc ?

Great opportunity to learn a language on the internet, courtesy of a basic income for unemployed workers, financed by the government without taxes or borrowing...

What's more the government could fund closing coal plants* and building pumped hydro storage at the same time, without taxes or borrowing, since construction workers could easily practice physical distancing and temp. testing on site at the same time.

*apparently people in Delhi and Beijing (who can afford to buy food) are loving the blue skies....

 

We can. In Canada, anyone entering the country other than the of truckers and essential personnel (300 Detroit healthcare workers live in Canada) has to isolate for two weeks. The government checks to make sure those who promise to self-isolate stay home. Violators can be fined $750,000 and jailed for a year.

People like your boss may have to be fined or even jailed.

 

The clock has started. I think several states have met the initial gating criteria, and surely most states have some counties or areas which have met the requirements even if the larger cities haven't.

Yesterday, Texas cities/counties were allowed to open all retail locations which are able to offer home delivery and/or curbside pickup of products. (No walk-in traffic to "non-essential" retailers yet.) We opened all the "non-essential" and elective medical procedures which had been rescheduled as long as they are outpatient services last Wednesday. Abbott is supposed to announce more options to ease more restrictions on Monday. All final authorizations are left to city mayors and county health officials to determine if their area has met the criteria to move forward.

I haven't looked for a list of counties/states, so I don't have specifics for the rest of the country.

 

I had hoped we would adequately support business so they wouldn't have to lay off workers, but the pols are resisting doing what needs to be done. Think about the number of people already let go. Our dumbass pols are destroying the economy.

Protecting everyone over 40 is what we're doing, and protecting the jobs of people under 40 gives younger people skin in the game.

Talking about doing something is not actually doing it.

 

We aren't going to fine or jail people in the U.S. if the airline sells them a ticket and the destination sells them a hotel room.

My boss could end up in a mandatory quarantine in either Denver or upon arriving back home in Austin. He would be very mad, and I'd have to bite my tongue to keep from saying something like "I told you so."

Colorado has warnings about "potential" travel quarantines on their state page, but do not have an specific bans or quarantines on travel.

They look fairly open, with only general warnings:



https://covid19.colorado.gov/travel

Texas on the other hand has a specific list of people who will be quarantined in their hotel for 2-weeks upon arrival. Denver is not currently on the list, but who knows what will happen by the first week of June. (Hopefully Denver will have peaked and declined by then.)

Current Texas restrictions to entering the state:

 

The federal CDC and DHHS set up guidelines. It's now up to state governors to continue to work on taking action for the people of their states. It's not like they've been sitting around doing nothing for the last 2-3 months.

 

Very interesting. We forgot how land borders impact demographics, in our island nations. Meantime, what's with the preponderance of lifestyle related poor health in that group?

 

Nothing wrong with beer and cheeseburgers, but plenty wrong with cigs. And the first two are only 'good' in moderation. One or two beers a week, a cheeseburger once a fortnight. More than that and you're dicing with your health. ESPECIALLY in the face of this particular virus. It loves (to death) the under 70's with bad habits, as much as it loves the over 70's.

 

Poverty. People who get dependent on government scraps tend to give up and stop trying. It becomes a generational cycle. Sitting around all day drinking becomes "normal life". Numbs the pain, I guess, while it ruins their health. Kids who do get an education and a better life tend to leave and don't go back. New Mexico does have some very wealthy cities like Santa Fe and Ruidoso (a ski resort town), and a few others. I guess those towns are where most of "the white people" live, ignorant to the problems of "the others".

 

Awww. I made two hamburger patties yesterday and had a cheeseburger last night and one for lunch today. Of course, homemade burgers aren't salt-pits like the fast food and restaurant burgers which are more sodium content than burger. Almost all restaurant and processed foods are way too salty....bad for blood pressure. Maybe with "stay at home", some people will learn to cook healthier foods from scratch (or not).

I do miss my Friday happy hour friends and having a couple of beers. I don't drink at home, so I haven't missed the alcohol, just the people.

 

Please Stat,
For just one time, show us your daily Excel List of Covid-19 casualties, non ordered by absolute total deaths, but:

First time:
Ordered by column:
Total CASES for 1 Million of population

Second time:
Ordered by column:
Total DEATHS for 1 Million of population

I mean this list:



... then you, and also anybody here on air, please compare those columns between ...

Nigeria vs Andorra
Nigeria vs San Marino

... then (may be) you will see the only key factor is deciding which country will be in great trouble, and which ones will be saved...

Ah, in those new list, compare also

U.S.A. vs Mexico




P.S.
Please, give me also a PM with the link, as you are so many here, it's a great mess, and I could miss your answer.