Trump, aides, take hard line on border wall, threat of government shutdown looms

Well, you can start by insisting on bank transfers for wages, and then come down hard on banks under existing money laundering obligations.

 

So what happened to this fence?
Answer: Lack of funding from the US government.

SO what did Trump promise instead?

Answer: Mexico to pay for it.

So what is Trump now trying to do?
Answer: Get the US government to pay for it.

SO he wasn't promising anything that didn't already exist and hadn't already failed, after all. You got duped.

 

I can't say anything against that, but I can also say it's about time we start putting Congress accountable, and no you're not going to do that with a replacement Democrat or Republican. Vote third party. As an example, there isn't a SINGLE independent in the House of Representatives. Not ONE. It's time to really shake up the system by putting people not beholden to some lobbyist in there.

Who knows, they might actually reclaim the spirit of the Great Compromise and get stuff done.

 

To 1. .... What is the difference in result at least? Nothing!
To 2. ... Very smart, take a look on the map and tell me why in most remote areas should be a wall of fence should be build. These areas are still with sensors, patrols etc. full under control


Aside all these stupid BS blabbering from Trump here, a full wall is so superfluous like a Woodpecker with rubber cord to prevent illegal entry. If this is really such a problem (what is isn't by pure digits, which are ignored of course), why is not following done?
- Increase in personnel
- Improvement and expansion of technical equipment such as cameras and sensors
- Improvement and enhancement of equipment such as Qauds, helicopters, jeeps etc.

No, instead, a stupid and superfluous wall of concrete or whatever is to be built. Trump is just a construction and real estate contractor and not a specialist in border security.

 

https://www.google.ca/search?q=As+a...al+alien?&gws_rd=cr&ei=WCn_WPD0COqijwT_7aSADw

 

a southern border isnt meant to keep out pedestrians

 

well it would be a good start!

 

no it is a waste of money

 

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/j...ernment-shutdown-on-democrats/article/2621062

 

So says you. I have not seen any economic analysis on any actual proposal, so I can't judge either way. Additionally, I would likely have an issue as to whom relative benefits accrue. Lets say an unskilled American worker.

There may be a significant GDP advantage to having no barrier to low paid workers, but the unskilled American worker sees none of that GDP growth and is actually disenfranchised from potential earnings. If the cost of the wall was another 2 cents in the dollar tax, the American worker might be consider that good value to ensure his work is safe from being undercut.

Naturally, the Honduran unskilled worker would have an opposing view, as would the owner of capital.

Regardless, I don't think it is too much to expect a border to be capable of preventing unwanted pedestrian crossings. If a government cannot control its borders, it cannot be in control of its citizenry. Hence its monopoly on violence is not effective, and therefore it is questionable whether the governing body is a viable nation state.
So it would only be a "waste of money" to a nation state if it was ineffective in retaining the government's control of its borders.

 

a wall is not going to stop companies or corporations from using all means of cutting labor costs. a perimeter wall sole purpose in the 4th century bc, was to keep people out

 

All a moot point now. Trump and Congress decided to put it aside.

 

Yep, Trump caved easily.

 

You are wrong, it will prevent them from being able to hire illegal immigrants in the USA if the illegal immigrants are prevented from entering the USA.
Perimeter walls are used all the time all over the world. In fact, just about everywhere there is a private sector perimeter, there is a wall or fence. You still have not provided any rationale as to why they would be less effective today to stop pedestrian crossings of the perimeter.

 

Like I said ,I haven't heard TRUMP blame the Democrats. Sessions and others yes.

 

And what happened to the last AG who spoke in defiance of TrumpCo?

Sessions and others are mouthing the words TrumpCo feeds them.

 

the great wall of china was a failure, end of story

 

Yes, it was, lol.

 

No; we were not duped.

We still want it.

 

There's a lot of sand down there..IMO a fence would be fine in some spots, at least for starters....

 

And Mexico is still paying for it too.....

 

What are you talking about? It failed to repel a military assault after a millennia and a half of use, and continued to be used by the following Chinese dynasties. If we get just the one millennia of good use from a wall I would count that as a tremendous success.

 

i suggest you learn about the empires in that area, it most certainly wasn't one long rule. genghis khan didnt have an issue with the wall

 

It wasn't even properly a wall then, yet still GK had to go via the mountain pass to get his army through. And it was an ARMY!! If we were expecting an armed invasion from Mexico, no the wall would be a stupid idea because they have aircraft and stuff.
If an illegal immigrant can afford their own aircraft I say let them in!

 

Not if they are drug lords or human trafficers.