Trump, aides, take hard line on border wall, threat of government shutdown looms

Oh please shut the Government down, the Democrats will hammer themselves for 2018.

 

Since the GOP controls the WH, the House & Senate, I would say you are in LALA Land.

 

The Republicans have a 60% majority in both the House and Senate? When did that happen?

 

That's how you want to play this? "We Republicans control the White House and both houses of Congress, but in order for us to get anything done we need you to vote even MORE Republicans into office!"

Haha, that is remarkably pathetic.

 

I'd love to see more independents in office.

 

It's a concession so to speak.

 

This might stun some people, since I speak so radically about reforming the country but: I do love these United States of America. I love the Spirit of the Republic, I love the intentions of the Founders and I love the idea of equality. But equality can only be had when we speak to each other as fellow citizens, not adversaries to be overcome.

It is because I love the Spirit of the Republic, that I lament with regret that the Republic is dead, and was dead IMO far before Donald Trump ever reached the political scene. He's just the ultimate example of its death. I also hold that many thinkers of the 18th-19th centuries were correct that democracy is the worst form of government. We now know there's no distinct difference between 'Representative' Democracy and open Democracy. Hell, 'open' democracy is better since the citizens actually pass the legislation in question(and even write it), as opposed to lobbyist-tied "politician". That's no choice whatsoever.

I instead wanted to reach for the skies. To revitalize America as an Empire, like that of Ancient Greece or Rome or Britain. The British used to pen in their newspapers that we lacked the cultural art of England, and I have to profess: They're right. What would the US be without the importing system? We Americans have done very little from a cultural-social standpoint of defining and refining our country that of course it feels lost and foreign, because we never owned it like our OWN country.

Not only have we imported technology from Asia(after originally enlightening them in the first place), we've also imported their ideas of entertainment(not that I'm denouncing or disliking any of this). But that rather, a future American century cannot come from further importation. And if it does come from that, all of us, D/R have to accept that perhaps there isn't a new American century since there isn't American participation.

But I cannot accept that, and I think along D/R lines I think very few of us accept that. But if we refuse to accept that, there are some things we must accept, and that is that the former strength of the US Economy came from being a major importer, not necessarily an exporter.

Because we exported goods, we have fewer goods for ourselves. And because fewer of us have capital, fewer of us can expand the markets. And as a result, the entire economy has depressed. That means bad things even for the 1%, because they can't expand with fewer customers.

We must expand the economy, we must expand capital and we must expand businesses. The major flaw of the Reagan Tax Cuts was not the principle of the tax cuts(which is really an investment), but where the tax cuts went. Instead of to already well-off, established businesses, they should have went to the middle class, start-up businesses.

Most start-ups die within 2-5 years, what if we could reverse that trend? That most start-ups now succeed in 2-5 years? You think there'll be a broader tax base to support government programs? Yes indeed. Do you think taxes will eventually level off, and be satisfactory for all American classes? Yep.

Do you think with this major investment in Middle-Class USA that racial and xenophobic sentiment will go down? I believe so, and I hope so.
Right now, the problem isn't higher or lower taxes, the problem is the lack of investment inside of REAL USA and not Washington, DC. Imagine if just one trillion of the 20 trillion went to every city in the US instead of just Washington, DC? Poverty would be solved overnight.

It's time to invest at home, that's what the real MAGA was all about.

 

Yeah ... and this fence brings what at least alone? Nothing!
The fence must be guarded and protected, otherwise it is only a ridiculous obstacle. Point is that you and all should ask how these remote areas are controlled now and look for the answer.
Also people should look on how the border is protected right now, because this "wall" is totally superfluous! Problem to prevent illegals to entry is lack or personal, lack of equipment and lack of technical up to date ... not to build a concrete wall of thousands of miles or setting a high fence ... what is in most parts still given!

 

now it wasnt a wall, my your arguments keep changing

 

Fair call, I'm saying even without even being the "great wall" as we see in the photographs today, it was still effective. The fact that it was improved and fortified after the Mongol invasion meant that they did not see it as a wasted effort, and indeed it went on to serve as an effective defence against the Manchu.

Its simply a myth that the Great Wall was ineffective.

 

'The Wall' is a simplistic 'solution' guaranteed to get the juices of simpleton Trump voters flowing. Here's some food for thought.
https://www.quora.com/How-much-mone...thing-like-the-Great-Wall-of-China-in-the-U-S
Trump is delusional.

 

Its the worst form of government except for all the others. Maybe open democracy is becoming more viable with new technology and better education. There is always the fear of mob rule.

The customer base of the wealthy expand far further than these shores. But the problem is the same everywhere. We are running out of justifications for giving money to consumers so that they can buy stuff, as their labor isn't worth squat anymore. So instead of a working wage world we are entering a world of debt and welfare. This places the government in a more powerful position re its citizens.

 

It was certainly a powerful marketing image during the campaign. However, that in itself is not a reason to disregard it.
The costs suggested around the place range alot, most of which have been hopelessly over-estimated, but even at the high end its a small sum to the Fed government. Its a much bigger figure to Mexico's government, though.

 

I'd argue my Fascist-Technocracy centralized government is better, but I'm sure you may have read a few posts of mine(even if inadvertently) so it'd be rehashing why I believe what I believe lol. You're right that in the world of Globalism, the purchasing power of other countries can make up for any losses in the domestic market for the elite manufacturers and businesses. But for small businesses(and for us citizens obviously), it doesn't do anything to improve the financial markets domestically as you point out.

I do for this reason call for a Living Wage, tied to the Median of GDP. I also think that as long as humans exist, we'll think of new ideas. We have to promote the Spirit of Entrepreneurship. I've always held that we have 75% workers/25% Entrepreneurs. If we can turn that into 60/40, we'd double the rate of Entrepreneurs, open up a bunch of job openings/create new jobs as well, and that mass creation would lead to the biggest explosion in US Wealth since the .Com discovery in the late 80's-90's.

If no one likes my theoretical government theories, at the very least I would stabilize the government in the field of finance. My economic strategies would lead to a major recovery.

 

I think you might need to work on the marketing

 

I could of course, call it something different. If I profess it as Fascist-Technocracy(Which is what it is at its purest form, Fascism combined with Technocracy), most people will look at the 'Fascism' and call me a Hitler clone. But you don't see any brown shirts. No, the whole purpose is a centralized government, which really is the only thing that can work in a 50-State Union.

 

Also, "Technocracy" sounds a little like something done by devil worshippers in the dark....
If there were direct democracy, then the enacting bureaucracy / administration would resemble this form of government.

 

ROFL. No. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/technocracy. I would literally enable a systematic organization where people whose expertise in economics, science, etc would fill those specific spots, with the necessary funding thereby. Whereas political actions are irrational, I want to create the most rational political organization in existence.

Though its "rationality" would end politics as we presently know it .

 

So it sure seems like Trump caved on the wall......guess he'll be sitting on a brick.

 

Sorry the Democrats are so obstructionist to progress, but you'll need to take that up with them.

 

The GOP controls the Executive branch, the House & Senate and you are trying to blame the democrats? That's the Trump koolaid.

 

Hardly, using your logic, the Democrats ignored "comprehensive immigration reform" in 2009 and 2010. Why didn't they pass it?

 

Your beyond help.

This op is the most absurd piece of trash I've seen today, but today just started so I am sure it will get worse.

As I have stated before, President Trump is playing 6 dimensional space chess, and you liberals are playing checkers.
President Trump has not told any lies, but please, continue to make things up, it keeps the rest of us entertained.

The wall is extremely important, and it WILL be built, no matter who pays for it.
America will GLADLY pay for if we have to.

The illegal southern INVADERS will be STOPPED, get used to it.

Your side LOST, get over it, and yourselves, we WILL move forward with restoring America to its former greatness, even if we have to drag your sorry liberal ass's along the way.

 

We are in 2017....Trump caved on the wall with congress under his control.

 

The GOP has a 60% majority? When did that happen? It's OK the Democrats will pay a heavy price in 2018 for opposing the wall.