Trump Bond cut to 175 million from 450million

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  1. clennan

    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is the nature of the amount that counts - CIVIL equitable relief, as in this case, to which the 8th Amendment does not apply.
     
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    Trials that Trump has to face, cannot be delayed forever. Somewhere down the line, Trump will have to face his consequences. There will be no way he'll be able to get around them.
     
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    He was far closer than the judge was which sadly doesn't take much.
     
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    Since everyone made money on the deal how is 500 million equitable?
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whatever did or did not happen to other parties does not change - let alone excuse - the fact that Trump engaged in fraudulent business practices, prohibited by Executive Law 63(13), as well as various penal laws included in the case.
     
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    Wrong an assumption buy a judge based on near fraudulent guess work is scarce proof of anything and that is what the appeals will find that engeron exceeded his authority that there was no fraud based on that or any other statute and it will very likely censure Ms. James for pursuing so fraudulent a case in the first place.
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wrong! The assumptions are yours, and mistaken. The Court's ruling was based on factual evidence supporting 222 pages detailing persistent and deliberate actions taken to purposefully and systematically falsify business records and representations, including - but by no means limited to - statements of financial condition, relating to multiple Trump Org properties, enterprises and activities, extending far beyond Mar-a-lago.
     
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    The socalled factual evidence was entirely an assumption that the tax assessed value is the same as the real value of property which it never is.
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No it wasn't. Again, the complaint provides 222 pages of detailed evidence of systematic and ongoing fraudulent acts, purposefully intended to deceive and mislead, employed across the range of Trump Org's activities.
     
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    Again all 22 pages related to a difference between tax assessments and reality.
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    222 pages, not 22, and no, they did not all relate to a difference between tax assessments and reality - or anywhere close! If you read it, this will be very clear.
     
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    Sooooo - is he still being “persecuted like no one else has ever before”?
     
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    But a crime was still committed. Last time I looked if you do the crime you have to pay the penalty
     
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    Pardon the typo but in reality it changes not one damn thing. There is no fraud without the judges gross under valuation of Trump properties.
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, there is - and it was determined by the evidence.

    Again, this would be clear to you if you read the complaint.
     
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