"Trump demands governors allow churches to open"

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by archives, May 22, 2020.

  1. archives

    archives Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    3,482
    Likes Received:
    2,384
    Trophy Points:
    113
    "Trump demands governors allow churches to open"
    "President Trump on Friday ordered governors to allow houses of worship to open immediately, declaring them “essential” to American life during COVID-19."

    “The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important essential places of faith to open right now, this weekend,” Trump said during brief remarks at the White House. Trump took no questions, however, and left immediately after his brief statement."

    “If they don't do it I will override the governors. America, we need more prayer, not less," he said."

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/499184-trump-demands-governors-allow-churches-to-open

    "Behind Trump’s demand to reopen churches: Slipping poll numbers and alarm inside his campaign"
    "A sudden shift in support for Donald Trump among religious conservatives is triggering alarm bells inside his reelection campaign, where top aides have long banked on expanding the president’s evangelical base as a key part of their strategy for victory this November.

    The anxiety over Trump’s standing with the Christian right surfaced after a pair of surveys by reputable outfits earlier this month found waning confidence in the administration’s coronavirus response among key religious groups, with a staggering decline in the president’s favorability among white evangelicals and white Catholics.

    Part of the strategy Trump allies have adopted to protect his relationship with conservative Christians is to frame the novel coronavirus — and church closures in response to social distancing restrictions — as a threat to religious freedom.

    Pence told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt earlier this month that “the liberties enshrined in the Constitution still apply to every American, even in the middle of a national emergency.”

    The Justice Department has also gotten involved. In a letter sent Tuesday to California Gov. Gavin Newsom, department officials warned the prominent Democrat that his measures to relax social-distancing guidelines in the Golden State cannot discriminate against religious groups and institutions

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/22/trump-churches-evaneglicals-coronavirus-274842

    Most know Trump's history with religion is skeptical at best, so who, other than some southern evangelicals, are going to now buy Trump's sudden "we need more prayer" theme?

    And how would this not be Trump pimping religion in the midst of a health crisis for his own political ends?
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    85,193
    Likes Received:
    10,426
    Trophy Points:
    113
    yes, lets open the churches.

    if you get sick, its cause god hates you.

    :p
     
  3. EMTdaniel86

    EMTdaniel86 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2011
    Messages:
    8,416
    Likes Received:
    3,209
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Churches are closed, yet porn and weed shops are open in places hmmmmmm
     
  4. lemmiwinx

    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2016
    Messages:
    3,870
    Likes Received:
    736
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why should churches be any different than Walmarts (which have been open from day one) ?
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    85,193
    Likes Received:
    10,426
    Trophy Points:
    113
    the weed and porn shops are required to maintain social distancing and have all customers wear masks, and limit how many customers can come in at one time.

    i have no problem with churches being opened but only allowing 25% of max capacity.

    plus all persons must sit at least 6' apart.
     
  6. archives

    archives Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    3,482
    Likes Received:
    2,384
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How many States have weed shops? or even porn shops anymore for that matter?

    But regardless, how is your view here related to the question how is this not Trump pimping religion in the midst of a health crisis for his own political ends?
     
  7. archives

    archives Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    3,482
    Likes Received:
    2,384
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Proximity of worshipers, and I do believe in some States Churches are beginning to receive permission to open if they show proper spacing plans, but as we've seen, packing houses of worship with recognizing COVID can lead to disaster

    So anyways, do you think Trump now raising the question in forceful terms really has a sudden concern over religion or is he pimping religion in the midst of a health crisis for his own political ends?
     
  8. Pants

    Pants Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2018
    Messages:
    4,764
    Likes Received:
    2,925
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Correct me if I'm wrong - and I know you will - but Trump doesn't have the authority to override the legal decisions of Governors in this case. And even if he did, doesn't that go against the notion of big-government-bad? Aren't states the ones who are supposed to decide for themselves?
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  9. apexofpurple

    apexofpurple Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2018
    Messages:
    1,002
    Likes Received:
    1,491
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Republicans believe (or believed) in a limited federal power, but Pres Trump has made more than a few comments suggesting he believes the federal government to be the final word on all things COVID. I personally haven't heard of one Republican calling him on it but then much of Republican ideology has proved to be hollow these past few months; law & order, personal/civic/fiscal responsibility, the preservation of life.

    And on the matter of churches I'll say this. The Bible contains no shortage of God's demand that we serve him through serving others. So I would church goers this question: Are you serving your community by putting yourself in a situation where a deadly virus would be able to spread easily to several people?
     
    Last edited: May 22, 2020
  10. lemmiwinx

    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2016
    Messages:
    3,870
    Likes Received:
    736
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't believe Covid19 is really behind this power grab. How about they seat people by family members no less than 20ft apart in churches and mosques. And have you seen where you can be charged with a crime for swimming in the ocean at California beaches? WTF they think you might give the Chinese AIDS to a dolphin now?
     
    Last edited: May 22, 2020
  11. Libby

    Libby Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2017
    Messages:
    6,981
    Likes Received:
    11,868
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    I love how the left spins everything. The talking points now are all centered around the same theme of "Trump did X but only so he'll win the election".

    Fact: Trump wants to rebuild/restore the economy
    Spin: only so he'll be reelected

    Fact: Trump wants churches reopened
    Spin: only so he'll be reelected

    Fact: Trump wants Governors to quit politicizing COVID and reopen their states
    Spin: only so he'll be reelected

    Fact: if Trump cured cancer, the left would say he only did it so he'd be reelected

    :roll:
     
  12. Pants

    Pants Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2018
    Messages:
    4,764
    Likes Received:
    2,925
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    What other motivations do you think he has? Other than his re election, what do you think Trump (or any politician for that matter) cares about?

    He was banking on the economy for his campaign - he has to do everything he can between now and November to get it rolling again. And he was banking on the evangelical support - so he had to make a grandstand play about the churches.
     
  13. EMTdaniel86

    EMTdaniel86 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2011
    Messages:
    8,416
    Likes Received:
    3,209
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Not the point plus have been to walmat lately?
     
    Last edited: May 22, 2020
  14. EMTdaniel86

    EMTdaniel86 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2011
    Messages:
    8,416
    Likes Received:
    3,209
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    its because they have nothing to run on and they know it.
     
    ButterBalls, LoneStarGal and Libby like this.
  15. EMTdaniel86

    EMTdaniel86 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2011
    Messages:
    8,416
    Likes Received:
    3,209
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Because people are being penalized for expressing their 1st amendment right, well at the same time, place like porn shops are free to be open. Churches are essential, porn shop are not.
     
    ButterBalls and ToddWB like this.
  16. EMTdaniel86

    EMTdaniel86 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2011
    Messages:
    8,416
    Likes Received:
    3,209
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Maybe be. The only thing I can think of that religion services fall under civil rights. Protection of civil rightists falls under both state and federal. If the state government isn't going to do anything, then the feds will step in. And they have before too.
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  17. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    18,847
    Likes Received:
    8,889
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Churches are not essential and the federal government has no ability to force states to do anything with them being open or closed (congress shall...)

    That said, they should have been allowed to remain open and not received federal subsidies.
    If their congregation means so little to them, so be it.
     
  18. EMTdaniel86

    EMTdaniel86 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2011
    Messages:
    8,416
    Likes Received:
    3,209
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    But liquor stores are? LOL yea Churches ARE ESSENTIAL. And as far as being able to not force then open, yea you might wnat to take a look at what happend in SC when all of this started.
     
    Last edited: May 22, 2020
  19. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2017
    Messages:
    20,974
    Likes Received:
    12,835
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It might be a first in 2020... Trump said something I agree with...

    "America, we need more prayer, not less"

    However, it's mostly because of him we need to be praying...

    I personally do not consider churches an "essential business", but with all the other equally idiotic non-essential "essential businesses" opening up, why not??

    Your first prayer if you go to a crowded church should be for yourself...
     
    bx4 likes this.
  20. Libby

    Libby Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2017
    Messages:
    6,981
    Likes Received:
    11,868
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    I think Trump actually cares about America, that's what I think he cares about.

    He was already rich and already famous, and not a career politician. He had no "need" to run for President, but Obama had f'ed everything up royally and we were facing Obama 2.0 in the form of Hillary.....so here we are.

    A strong economy, especially, benefits EVERYONE. Sure it helps Trump's businesses and it will help his reelection, but at the end of the day it benefits ALL of us, and makes our country stronger. I'm good with that, and no way do I support the Democrats trying to trash it just to try to defeat Trump.
     
  21. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    18,847
    Likes Received:
    8,889
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No, liquor stores are not either.
    Churches as a physical location are not essential, it doesn’t matter if you capitalize it.

    What event in SC are you referring to?
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  22. Pants

    Pants Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2018
    Messages:
    4,764
    Likes Received:
    2,925
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    I'm afraid I don't share your opinion of Trump. Mine was formed long before he ran for President, and he has not changed my view through his current position. But having said that, I respect your view of the man. We can disagree, but I won't make fun of you simply because we differ in opinion.
     
    Last edited: May 22, 2020
    bx4 and cd8ed like this.
  23. Yulee

    Yulee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2016
    Messages:
    5,899
    Likes Received:
    2,853
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So porn and weed shops pack people in like churches?
     
    Last edited: May 22, 2020
    The Mello Guy and Bowerbird like this.
  24. EMTdaniel86

    EMTdaniel86 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2011
    Messages:
    8,416
    Likes Received:
    3,209
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So your not getting the point got It
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  25. Yulee

    Yulee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2016
    Messages:
    5,899
    Likes Received:
    2,853
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Point is don’t be in large ****ing groups. Sorry folks are too stupid to get that.
     

Share This Page