Trump has provoked more division, hatred, violent threats, than any president in history

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm sure the current crop of politicians aren't the first to get death threats in the annals of history, but the ones they are getting, are extremely disturbing.

    Listen to the audio clips in this video, courtesy of Donald Trump. And no, it's not the fault of the committee that these threats come, because all they are doing is investigating criminality he inspired, if not participated in, altogether. Given his life is filled with criminals and shady behavior, I suspect the next level of criminality, as a logical progression, was to do it from the Oval Office. And, why not? --doing it from the Oval Office just might provide, if not legal, a political shield from prosecution. (Verdict on that point not out, yet).

    Mission Accomplished.

    This is scratching the surface. We have more threats to election officials in many states, for not kowtowing the Trumpian lie, noting the lives Trump ruined via threats courtesy of Trump as evidenced by the testimony of Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss.

    Isn't it time you on the right come around to admitting the cold, bitter, truth about Trump?



    God help America if he is reelected; it would be like giving a monster steroids and then some.
     
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  2. MJ Davies

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    Why would they do that? They are totally cool with "any means necessary.".
     
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    Trump has provoked more division, hatred, violent threats, than any president in history.

    That is probably true. My recommendation is to concern oneself with what a politician does, not says. As disagreeable as Trump was, he did the right things for the country and the country did well during his administration. The opposite is true today. Pay attention to what a politician does. Words don't matter. Actions matter.
     
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    Trump's evil, it could be his mental conditions that are the cause. And, you don't make deals with the devil and escape.
     
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    How long will you keep blaming Trump? He's gone. Anything that happens now is the fault of the current administration.
     
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    Really? The history of civil unrest by the counts for recent Presidents tells a different story:

    Carter - 9

    Reagan - 4

    GHW Bush - 6

    Clinton - 8

    GW Bush - 9

    Obama - 30


    • 2010 – Springfest riot, April 10, 200 police disperse crowd of 8,000 using tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets, and bean bag rounds, near the campus of James Madison University; dozens injured. 30–35 arrested; Harrisonburg, Virginia

    • 2010 – Santa Cruz May Day riot, May 1, 250 rampage through downtown Santa Cruz attacking 18 businesses, causing an estimated $100,000 in damages. 1 arrested. Santa Cruz, California

    • 2010 – Oakland protest riot, November 5, Police made more than 150 arrests as a crowd broke windows and knocked down fences, protesting sentence of former BART officer in shooting of Oscar Grant on New Years Day 2009; see BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant. Oakland, California

    • 2011 – Occupy Wall Street (Brooklyn Bridge protests). Demonstrators blocked the bridge and more than 700 people were arrested. New York, New York

    • 2011 – Occupy Wall Street Oakland protests riots. October. Protesters shattered windows, set fires, and plastered buildings with graffiti. Riot police fired heavy amounts of tear gas on the protesters.

    • 2012 – NATO 2012 Chicago Summit, May. Conflict between riot police and protesters. Dozens of demonstrators clubbed and arrested.

    • 2012 – Anaheim police shooting and protests, July 28. Violence erupted after multiple shootings in the neighborhood by police that included unarmed Manuel Diaz. 24 people were arrested

    • 2013 – Flatbush Riots, March 11, Riots in Brooklyn, New York after the death of Kimani Gray who was shot and killed by NYPD

    • 2014 – Bundy Standoff, April 5–May, an armed confrontation between supporters of cattle rancher Cliven Bundy and law enforcement following a 21-year legal dispute in which the United States Bureau of Land Management (BLM) obtained court orders directing Bundy to pay over $1 million in withheld grazing fees for Bundy's use of federally-owned land adjacent to Bundy's ranch in southeastern Nevada.

    • 2014 – Ferguson unrest, Ferguson and St. Louis, Missouri, August 10 and November 24. Following the shooting death of Michael Brown by a Ferguson police officer, protests erupt in the streets. Police respond with riot gear, tear gas, sound canons, police dogs, concussion grenades, rubber bullets, pepper balls, wooden bullets, beanbag rounds, tasers, pepper spray, and armored vehicles. Unrest occurred continuously for weeks in August, and sporadically through December, with nearly daily protests throughout the period and rioting following the non-indictment announcement on Nov 24. Unrest again occurred on the one year anniversary in August 2015, with dozens of arrests.

    • 2014 – St. Louis, Missouri - October 8, police vehicle windows broken as rage at the killing of Vonderrit Myers Jr. Protests continued for days afterward, during the nearby and ongoing Ferguson Unrest.

    • 2014 – New York, New York, and Berkeley, California – After prosecutors and a grand jury refused to indict a police officer in the death of Eric Garner, protests erupted in New York City and other cities.

    • 2014 Oakland riots, November–December, A series of riots and civil disturbances that took place in Oakland and the surrounding area, in reaction to the events involving the Shooting of Michael Brown and later, the death of Eric Garner, Oakland, California

    • 2014 – Berkeley, Missouri, December 23–24. Antonio Martin is shot to death by police in a St. Louis suburb nearby to Ferguson, leading to violent conflict with police, and looting.

    • 2015 – 2015 Baltimore protests, April 25–28. Days of protests break out following the death of Freddie Gray while in police custody. 34 people are arrested and 15 Officers injured after rioting and looting break out. Gray's funeral was held on April 27 and followed by further protests and looting. Governor Hogan had preemptively activated the Maryland National Guard, while the Maryland State Police had activated at least 500 officers.

    • 2015 – St. Louis, Missouri, August 19. Conflict with police following fatal shooting by St. Louis police officers of black teenager Mansur Ball-Bey leads to deployment of tear gas then burned car, buildings, and looting. Protests continue in subsequent days with tensions remaining high.

    • 2016 – Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, January–February 2016. 1 killed and several dozen arrested. Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, Oregon

    • 2016 – 2016 Donald Trump Chicago rally protest, March 11. Five people arrested and two police officers injured during a demonstration at the UIC Pavilion.

    • 2016 – Democracy Spring rally in April. March to Washington D.C. and sit-ins lead to arrests.

    • 2016 – 2016 Sacramento riot, June 26, A confrontation between white nationalists and left-wing counter protesters at the California State Capitol. Ten people were hospitalized for stabbing and laceration wounds.

    • 2016 – Widespread protests erupt in response to two deaths at the hands of police, the Shooting of Alton Sterling and shooting of Philando Castile. At least 261 people were arrested in protests in New York City, Chicago, St. Paul, Baton Rouge, and other cities.

    • 2016 – 2016 Milwaukee riots, Sherman Park, August 13–15. Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

    • 2016 – 2016 Charlotte riot, September 20–21, Protests and riots break out in response to the shooting of Keith Lamont Scott by a Charlotte police officer.

    • 2016 – Dakota Access Pipeline protests, 411 protesters arrested. Multiple skirmishes with police, with vehicles, hay bales, and tires set on fire.

    • 2016 – Anti-Trump protests, November 9–27. As a result of Donald Trump elected as 45th President of the U.S., thousands protested across twenty-five American cities, and unrest broke out in downtown Oakland, California, and Portland, Oregon. In Oakland, over 40 fires started and police officers were injured.
    Trump - 7

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States

    Seems like the professional agitator you hired stirred up more hatred and unrest than any other President. He is happily living out his retirement among white people he hates in a coastal community he claimed would be under water.
     
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    Hahaha! I believe you think Trump is hiding under your bed.

    There was division, hatred and anything else you can think of before Trump. It all seemed to happen when Obama took office.
     
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    It was the United States news media like CNN ABC NBC and the like. Trump was fine.
     
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    by jingo you're right! only 7 protests under trump unless, of course, you can actually count.

    i don't suppose the weekly invasions of portland by tump's "tough guys" count? or the dozens if peaceful protests used as diversion by trump's boogaloo boys?

    Boogaloo Movement Tied To Murder, Violence And Disinformation During ProtestS (forbes.com)

    omg the forum kicked this reply back for "too many characters. continued below .....
     
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    • 2020 – New York City FTP protests, January 31, Anti-Transit Police and MTA protest resulting in hundreds of arrests over the three separate days of demonstration. Vandalism and violence on train stations were reported.
    • 2020 – Dayton University riot, March 11 – Riot breaks out following a university's announcement of a temporary closure due to COVID-19.[47]
    • 2020 –
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      Protesters surround a police precinct in Minneapolis during the George Floyd protests, part of a larger wave of civil unrest in 2020 and 2021.


      George Floyd protests, May 26 – Following the murder of George Floyd, protests and civil unrest against police brutality and systemic racism began in Minneapolis and quickly spread across the United States and the world, on a scale unseen since the unrest of the summers of 1967 and 1968. Derek Chauvin, the policeman who held his knee on Floyd's neck for over nine minutes, was soon fired along with the three other officers involved. Later, Chauvin was arrested and charged with second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter; after being taken into custody and released on bail in October 2020, Chauvin was found guilty on all charges in April 2021[48] and sentenced to 22 years and 6 months in prison in June 2021.[49] The other three policemen were charged with aiding and abetting murder and are scheduled to be tried in March 2022. Widespread protests and riots spread to other American cities and then to other countries, with Floyd's murder garnering condemnation.[50] Protest tactics included peaceful occupation and resistance, but was overshadowed by widespread looting and damage of private and public properties. In the Seattle neighborhood of Capitol Hill, an occupation protest and self-declared autonomous zone was established on June 8, 2020, covering six city blocks and a park after the Seattle Police Department left their East Precinct building. The area was cleared of occupants by police on July 1, 2020. May 29 began national days of protests in every state; some of which lasted throughout the summer of 2020.[51]
    • 2020 – Kenosha unrest, August 23–28, On August 23 in Kenosha, Wisconsin, Jacob Blake was shot in the back by a police officer while not complying with their attempt to arrest him. Protests and rioting occurred after the incident. A State of Emergency was declared and police used tear gas and rubber bullets to disperse the crowd. During several days of rioting, government buildings were damaged, businesses were looted and set on fire, and vehicles were firebombed, including 100 cars burned at a car dealership. On the third day of unrest an armed teenager, from out of state, shot three rioters, wounding one and killing two others. By August 28, almost 1000 Wisconsin National Guard troops were on the streets, backed by National Guard troops from Michigan, Alabama and Arizona. Nearly 100 buildings were damaged with the cost of damage to City property close to $2 million and the cost to private property damaged near $50 million.
    • 2020 – Minneapolis false rumors riot, August 26–28, On August 26, a false rumor that police shot a man in Minneapolis started riots that set four buildings on fire and damaged 72 others.
    • 2020 – Jewish Protest, October 7–8, In Brooklyn, New York, members of the Orthodox Jewish community protested over new COVID-19 restrictions. Minor fires were set, masks were burned, and journalist Jacob Kornbluh was attacked. Heshy Tischler was taken into custody for inciting a riot.[52]
    • 2020 – 2020–21 United States election protests, November 3 – March 2021, Several demonstrations were held during and after the 2020 presidential election. Clashes between pro-Trump supporters and counterprotesters occurred on multiple nights, including November 14 and December 12. On the night of December 12, there were multiple stabbings and over 23 people were arrested.
    • 2021 – United States Capitol attack, January 6, After months of unsuccessful attempts by President Donald Trump and his allies to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, asserting voter fraud occurred and unsuccessfully attempting to pressure state election officials to alter the election results in his favor, a large group of pro-Trump supporters, allegedly called to action by Trump,[53] entered the United States Capitol in an attempt to prevent the certification of Joe Biden's election victory. The Capitol was vandalized, including doors, windows, and offices, forcing members of Congress and Vice President Mike Pence to evacuate. One death occurred as a direct result of the unrest, and several additional deaths were reported subsequently, but determined to be due to unrelated or natural causes.[54] Ashli Babbitt, an Air Force veteran from Southern California, was shot and killed by a Capitol Police officer as she attempted to enter through a broken window leading to the Speaker's Lobby inside the Capitol. During a rush of protestors attempting to fight their way through the police line, Rosanne Boyland was unintentionally crushed and killed. While originally believed to have been a victim of blunt force trauma or chemical spray during altercations between protestors and police, officer Brian Sicknick also died shortly after the violence from a stroke. Nearly 140 police officers were injured.[55] In the aftermath of the unrest, which received widespread domestic and international condemnation, the Chief of the Capitol Police resigned under pressure and President Trump was impeached a second time under accusation of incitement of insurrection.[56][57] His subsequent trial in February 2021 ultimately resulted in an acquittal by the Senate, making Trump the first to be tried as a former president and to be impeached and acquitted twice.[58]
     
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    Your post was "kicked" for being total BS.
     
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    Coincidently in democrat controlled states and cities where the police stood by and watched the fun.
     
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    the post to which i replied was grossly insufficient. trump spent 4 long years encouraging these militia azzwholes and then he tells them to "just go peacefully to tale your country back" . what a great uniter he is!
     
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    Yet you continue to support Biden...
     
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    Who brought us from 9 under Bush to 30? Who was the agitator that brought us to Democrats creating havoc from relative calm? Anyway, the arson and murders by Democrats in the summer of 2020 were framed by Democrats as mostly peaceful.
    FieryButMostlyPeacefulKenosha.jpg
    ,,, clearly not the stuff instigated by a President you claim was a hateful instigator.
     
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    Non sequitur deflection and a really bad one to boot!!! :thumbsup:
     
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    The man who said and against political corruption will always be seen as divide by the politicaly corrupt.
     
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    I think I get it. The left thought that they were under attack because the former president dared to try to reign them in.... And because they feared their loss of power and privilege, they lashed out. Hence the constant barrage of "mostly peaceful protests" that caused billions of dollars and cost hundreds of lives in that thrashing about.

    We should hold mr Obama personally liable for his culture of racial hate that he invoked while president. Racial victim? He lives in the Vineyard, and the Ocean front place in hawaii.. Weren't they supposed to be underwater already? But who cares...

    When the left cal Trump divisive, what they really mean is he challenged their elitist BS and actually tried to do something for the regular folks who seemingly still support him. And that actually still scares democrats. Isn't that juicy...
     
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    Undermining confidence in elections and attempting a coup were good for the country? Deficit spending was good? Tariffs that hurt consumers were good? Wasting money on a wall instead of focusing on immigration reform was good? Lying pathologically was good? Siding with Putin over our intel agencies was good? Botching the federal response to COVID was good? Recommending ineffectual treatments for COVID was good? Causing division was good? Disgracing the office of the POTUS was good?
     
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    Pot kettle
     
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    It is incumbent on all prez's to speak out about the racist culture that exists in the US. Especially when he was the target of it himself. White supremacist groups hated Obama...........but they loved Trump. There's a reason for that.
     
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    Hmm.. The only racist was mr Obama himself. It was his culture that we now have to clean up after. Democrats insist that there cannot be equality, only equity. Why? Because folks must be distinctively different to induce the hate they know divides.
     
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    His followers call that "successful".

    Apparently they were always out to destroy the country.
     
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    So why do you suppose that democrats did those things then? We have video for F's sake. Liz Waren on the warpath about it, Stacie Abrams still chants it mercilessly on the campaign trails even today. The state she Hates, btw... Why would Georgia voters vote for a woman who publicly says she doesn't like the state?

    You claim that you have any care for the people, and yet you vote and advocate for the very things that hurt them the most. Does it make you think you're smart because you believe that folks can't see the real motives you serve?
     

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