Trump sues to try to stop tax returns from being sent to NY prosecutor

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  1. Collateral Damage

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    Exactly what do you think 'you' will find on his tax returns?
    Not that the everyday person will actually 'see' them.
     
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    You don't understand Uranium One or the structure of Public Operational Charities. That doesn't make Hillary a crook.. it makes you too biased to look into the details and find out the facts..
     
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    I care a lot.
     
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    Fake Don's inveterate bum kissers are so desperate to prop up his lie, they are singing the praises of the IRS in its extraordinary ability to uncover any and all financial irregularities, even though the respected tradition of all American presidential nominees sharing their returns with the public concerns, not criminal improprieties, but insights into a candidate concerning sources of income, write-offs, charitable contributions, etc.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    I don't speculate. Why do you think he needed to repeatedly lie about his intent to release them?
     
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    I have no idea. It doesn't matter to me if they are released or not.
     
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    In that case, you can be content with his repeatedly lying if that is what you must do.

    Others value honesty.
     
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    I am far from 'content' with Trump. Tax returns are minor in the scale of things.
    If you put that much weight on tax returns, perhaps you can point out for me any politician who has not 'lied'.
     
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    I did not say that he us hiding a crime but could be but you appear not to care.
     
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    There is not and should not be a mandate that requires our elected officials to provide their personal tax returns.

    The only people that want this are those looking for fodder for the opposition candidate.
     
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    That's not the public's responsibility, nor that of state government.

    We have several agencies at the federal level with access to his returns.

    This is a witch hunt, nothing more nothing less.
     
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    Trump has a right to sue, but the courts will now make that decision for him.
     
  13. Collateral Damage

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    Do you actually think you will be able to clarify who he may owe money to from his tax returns? Or the reason he may owe that money, and for what purpose? I've yet to see a line item on someone's tax return called 'Bribery and blackmail' $50,000? Where on his tax return does it say 'collusion with foreign governments'?

    If Trump was 'that corrupt', it would have been out there long before now. And while some salivate over the idea that his tax returns will supposedly expose some sort of underhanded dealings, I have to believe it's more about power plays then anything else. Personally, I wish he'd just give them to the committee, and have done with it.
     
  14. raytri

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    Right, That’s why EVERY SINGLE CANDIDATE in the past 40 years has released their returns.

    That’s why Hillary released decades of tax returns.

    That’s why I routinely call for ALL candidates to release their returns, not just candidates I oppose.

    The indefensible exception here is Trump’s refusal to do what every other candidate has done.
     
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    Conflicts of interest aren’t the public’s concern? Since when?

    Something can be a conflict without rising to the level of illegality.

    And please identify these federal agencies that have access to Trump’s returns. There is the IRS, but it is bound to only look at whether he has complied with tax law. His tax return could show massive self-dealing or even illegal activity, and the IRS couldn’t say anything about it.
     
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    Trump repeatedly lied when he promised to release his tax returns.

    Expecting him to keep his word to the American people, a vow he can easily honor, is not imposing an undue burden.

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    "Oh, yeah!
    Well, politicians lie!"

    Yes, many people have been known to lie. That does not license anyone to lie.
    In Trump's case, the reasonable question arises, "Why does he insist on perpetuating this lie?"
    Why, in the scale of things, doesn't he simply do what he frequently said he would do?
     
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    If there IS fodder there should it not be known. Otherwise it actually can clear the air by removing allegations and speculation
     
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    Whether it's your opinion that there should not be a mandate, presidential nominees in recent history, have honored the expectation of their disclosing their tax returns to the Americans public as one way the electorate can gain insights into each candidate. A better-informed electorate is in the nation's interest.

    One repeatedly lied when he assured Americans he would honor the tradition. Rather than lie, he could have been honest, refused, and admitted that he needed to keep them hidden from the public.

    If he insists on perpetuating his lie, the People have the right to ask, "Why?"

    His worshippers have blind faith that his tax returns justify his having opined that releasing the returns is a "great thing" because it lets a person prove "you've been successful, and that you've made a lot of money... I actually think it's a positive!"

    Other Americans echo Ronald Reagan's prudent dictum,

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    "Trust, but verify!"

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    So I lied to the American People!
    My bum kissers love when I do that!
     
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    Out tax codes are so complicated, we can assume that Trump, along with every other American, has violated several. The government is greedy and irresponsible and they wield tremendous power. If I don't pay my taxes, they take my business, home, retirement, and throw me in prison.

    It was a mistake to allow the power to grow to this point and using it as a weapon against Trump is nothing more than expanding the abuse of power that is already out of hand.

    Im not a fan of Trump. He is greedy and irresponsible like the rest. Should he unleash the mighty IRS against those with opposing views?

    If someone refused to pay taxes in protest of government actions, they shouldn't be in prison. Thats the kind of person I would like to see in the White House.
     
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    So you were not aware that not paying taxes will result in them taking your business, home, retirement, and throwing you in prison? Thats a lot of power.

    Our tax codes are complicated. Like Trump, you have likely violated several. If this power gets turned against you for your political views, is that justice?
     
  21. raytri

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    Who is talking about "not paying taxes"?

    Again, what are you talking about? Nothing you have written appears to relate to anything I have written.
     
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    Um, yes. Various kinds of loans impact personal and business taxes, so they will be listed on tax returns.

    Income sources are listed on tax returns, so we can see where a person's most important financial interests lie.

    This shouldn't be news to you. This is how candidate tax returns have been used for decades. Every time a candidate releases their returns, there is a flurry of media stories reporting on what's in it and what it means.

    A lot of times it is either listed or easily inferred. Or -- shock! -- you can then ask the candidate to explain it. That's what "transparency" is all about.

    Nice strawman you've built there.

    And your basis for this assertion is....?

    As I've said repeatedly, I expect ALL candidates to release their returns. Fact is, Trump is the only candidate in the last 40 years to refuse to do so. HE created the issue -- not me, not everyone else saying he should release his returns. Any normal person should be curious -- and, frankly, suspicious -- why Trump decided to become that glaring exception.

    Then we are on the same page.
     
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    IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!!!!
     
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    So. what.

    It's not a requirement. All of the previous candidates were career politicians prior to Trump. You Authoritarian Leftists trying to make up new standards is not what this nation is about.

    I would like to know how Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Diane Feinstein, etc. all go so damn rich on their congressional salaries. But, we don't get to see those tax returns.
     
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    There is nothing complicated about my position. Should Trump be forced to release his returns?
     

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