Trump's $867 Billion Farm Bill....Is Socialism....

For perspective check out disaster payments to farmer/ranchers under Obama.

 

I hear that all the time from haters of President Trump....but how dumb does that make all those he outsmarted in 2016? Don't you have to have some degree of intelligence to overcome over a dozen GOP candidates and an "unbeatable" HRC, all the time going up against a weaponized FBI, Dept. of Justice, and a news media that is 95% against? Can't you give him a degree of smarts for all that?

 

Guess your eyes are wide open!

 

Agree 100% with renegotiation being vital with China. Also that free trade must be fair trade.

I am not aware of any program outside of the Conservation Reserve Program today paying farmers not to produce. Acres enrolled have fallen steadily since the 1990’s. Acres enrolled in this program are marginal for production. It must be shown there is environmental risk to farming them to be enrolled. It is a conservation program not a pay to not produce program. Much of the ground coming out of enrollment goes back into production, thus the steady decrease in enrolled acres.

Back in the 70’s and 80’s farmers were told how many acres of each crop could be planted. Some years forage crops were mandated to raise commodity grain prices. A plethora of on farm grain storage facilities were paid for by the government as well to try and delay sales to influence price. All this changed with the freedom to farm bill of ‘96. The farm economy is much more free market than it was. It is still manipulated with subsidies and subsidized crop insurance. Also, we are still prohibited from planting fruit or vegetable crops on ground with commodity base acre designations.

I don’t know how claims can be made production is discouraged when subsidized crop insurance removes risk essentially begging producers to plant crops.

 

so your saying if I invent away to change the dna of a unborn baby, then I own all the babies you have or their children have?

sorry, I disagree.. you own the change you made, not all the offspring

farmers are being sued cause some of the seed from other farms are contaminating theirs, this GMO seeds are like a cancer to society if they own the offspring

so you buy tomatoes from the store and plant the seeds in your garden, then you owe them or your stealing?... I say hogwash

somehow I think your not giving full disclosure of all your bias here

 

Margot2 I'm calling you out on this !!! Do you understand how to read the 'futures' quotes on the Chicago Board of Trade ?

The American farmer understood exactly how the market would adjust.
The production of Soybeans was reduced by choice.
Corn production was increased to supplement the production of ethanol in relationship to the price of crude oil.

Making a comment like you did is pure ________________ . Educate yourself !

 

in this case the 'disaster' was Trump

 

The farmers adjusted quite well to what Sonny Perdue was telling them... Many farmers held back on Soybeans and White Wheat while increasing their Corn production

You need to take a seat next to Margot in an AG class to be educated about the agricultural progress that the Trump Administration has put into motion.

 

Well, at least the left one is, as far as you can tell from my avatar

 

I’ve been clear I’m a farmer. I don’t even own stock in any seed genetics or chemical companies. I just want continued access to traits that enhance my profitability, supply good food for the consumer, and protect the environment. I’m a guy that bases my life on common sense as well as principle.

Without protection of traits in plant genetics innovation would cease. Profit motive drives innovation in every area from drought resistance to chemical tolerance to pest resistance. We are on the brink of even greater innovation like nitrogen fixation in monocots that would be an environmental game changer I’m not willing to throw that away.

Another reason trait protection/licensing is important is continued efficacy of the trait. If traits went open source there would be no accountability of the producer to use them responsibly. Traits like insect resistance would soon be useless because they would be overused and placed improperly without refuge acres leading to development of resistance in the target pest. Signing the agreement to purchase/plant traits legally binds you to follow protocols to maintain viability of the trait.

If you want open source plant genetics by all means your entitled to your opinion. But a world where we have 40 bushel corn instead of 250 and 20 bushel beans instead of 70 isn’t a world any of us would want to live in.

 

Not even close. He’s fixing a problem all his predecessors ignored or exacerbated.

Admittedly both Obama and Trump are buying votes. Obama just paid better.

 

I agree there is a problem that needs to be fixed, I doubt Trump will fix it though... but I am hopeful.. just maybe

 

are you a family farmer or a corporate farmer... huge difference

i totally disagree, most family farmers also disagree with you

it's no different then merging two animals to make a new type of dog or merging two plants to make a plant... you only profit from the original one you sell, not the offspring

now you could try to make a plant with no seeds, then you could keep selling the original without worry of the children breeding on their own

'Traits like insect resistance would soon be useless because they would be overused and placed improperly"

so you also want the corporations to tell you how to plant and when to use?

 

That's china not Trump...

 

Family. There is no difference really. My neighbor I share labor/custom work with is incorporated. His operation is basically identical to mine. There are rare large corporate farms but they are a small minority. Many if not most mid size family farms are incorporated.

The vast majority of farmers understand why traits are protected and are thankful to have paid access to them.

Animal GMO is coming. It will be protected for the same reason. Profit must exist for research and development to continue.

Funny you bring that up. Hybrid seed corn is essentially just that. Been around forever. But some parent lines are still protected even though it’s possible but impractical for farmers to create their own hybrid seed.

 

No I want corporations to pay for the research necessary to determine refuge locations, distances, and percentages so we all are good stewards of the land and the technology. I don’t want people with no skin in the game ruining things for those of us who are being responsible.

You click the “agree” button on terms and conditions of technology you use, right? Or do you pirate everything?

 

see, and that I would be fine with, if it has no seeds it can not be replanted... I do have a problem with making it a crime to replant seeds from the food you eat in your own garden though

 

I do not think most farmers are glad to pay for seeds they could of harvested from the previous years crop

 

I’m with you there. I believe current law allows saving and planting such seed but prohibits sale if its patented.

 

I buy certified seed even for crops like forage oats and ryegrass that I could save myself. It ensures genetic purity/superiority and absence of weed seed.

For engineered crops eventually cross pollination would occur and the trait would not be present in all of the seed in subsequent seasons.

Seed purchased from developers consistently outyields bin run (saved) seed in side by side comparisons.

 

you may be an exception to the rule, you seem to worship GMO seeds

I still do not support having to pay to plant seeds from food you already bought and payed for

I also think GMO foods should be labeled as such.. do you?

 

If farmers hate buying this seed it wouldn’t exist. The market demands it.

I don’t worship GMO seeds any more than iPhones, pneumatic tires, or no-till planters. They all help me feed you.

I’m ambivalent on GMO labeling. I’ll grow what you all buy. If consumers want to move towards higher priced food and less abundance, make it happen. I’ll adjust.

 

there will be many stupid enough to fall for GMO seeds I am sure